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Corn snakes are now illegal in Vermont

moreptiles

moreptiles

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I just received a notice from the Vermont department of natural resources notifying me of a new law that is effective on January 24, 2008 which bans the possession or sale of corn snakes without a permit. It is interesting that many other varieties of pet snakes are allowed, but corn snakes are not on the allowed list.

Mark
 
Here in Israel they threaten to do the same under the reasoning that they might invade the country as a foreign species if released- endangering the wildlife here.

It makes sense to a degree, but I think that banning modern morph-corns is silly- albinos, snows, blizzards, redbloods et cetera have lost any camouflage capabilities, I doubt they will manage to get far without being challenged by a stray cat.
 
moreptiles said:
I just received a notice from the Vermont department of natural resources notifying me of a new law that is effective on January 24, 2008 which bans the possession or sale of corn snakes without a permit. It is interesting that many other varieties of pet snakes are allowed, but corn snakes are not on the allowed list.

Mark
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New Jersey is odd too. But needing a permit to sell them if you ship them in for other states?????

Kokopelli said:
Here in Israel they threaten to do the same under the reasoning that they might invade the country as a foreign species if released- endangering the wildlife here.QUOTE]

And I would think that they would freeze first in Vermont.
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Oh! This interests me...!

What's the deal with people who already own corn snakes? Do the animals have to be destroyed before that date, Or is the new law only applicable to sales/purchases made from this date?. Or is there a "give" period for current owners to apply for, and be granted a permit?.
 
Here in South Africa there are rumours of the same thing happening, we are allowed to keep " EXOTICS ", snakes from other countries without permits but it is said that this is going to change.
The way I see it happening is that if you have existing ' EXOTICS " you just pay up and get a permit. I think that there will be a heavy process to get any new ' EXOTICS " or breed any.

Ciao
 
That's not surprising. Vermont is extremly "green minded" anal about exotic species....although any southern snake that escaped would be dead in a day up there garunteed, if not from the 20 degree or lower weather, then from the HUGE feral cat population that is a result of the stupid college students releasing their dorm pets.
 
Is it Vermont....

or maybe Rhode Island or both who ban gun ownership but have multiple gun factories in the state?

Anyway, how much is the permit and what are the restrictions?
 
......oh my god! the same seems to start in some provinces in germany. what´s going on here?
 
Cflaguy said:
or maybe Rhode Island or both who ban gun ownership but have multiple gun factories in the state?

Anyway, how much is the permit and what are the restrictions?
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It wasn't vermont that's for sure. My college campus up there allowed students to have guns, but they had to check it in with public safety, even though they never had a "due back" time and kids with guns checked out could just have them in their rooms givign the excuse "oh im going hunting later today". They also have a gun section in walmart I think. Hunting is part of the culture up there, so I don't think guns will be illegal anytime soon.
 
In Illinois, I have to have a permit to own any "constricting snake over 6ft". Which basically includes anything over six feet which isn't venomous (and you're not allowed to own hots here anyways).

In all honesty, the biggest part of getting the permit was finding out WHO to talk to so I could get it. Most of the people at the DNR had NO CLUE that such a permit even existed. Once I finally got to the right guy, he just took down all of my information, asked about my experience and knowledge with reptiles, and had it mailed to me.

If I was you, I would start bugging them right away. ;)
 
Rhode Island does allow gun ownership, seeing as how I legally own a gun and all :)

so what is the latest on this corn snake law in Vermont?
 
BC is putting together a law now too, but the ban is total. No permits. Corns aren't on the list, but hognoses (venomous) and BCI's are.

It got kicked off when some idiot got bit by his pet cobra. Then blamed the hospital, saying if the province allowed him to keep a venomous animal, is should stock the anti-venom. *eyeroll*

And it's being put together by the SPCA. I love what they do, and hate what they do. I thin it comes down to them not knowing anything about reptiles.
 
:-offtopicOMGosh I just realized Mark I bought our 07' Sunglow Motley (she's my avatar) from you!! I spoke to your wife 'I believe' over the phone! You guys are wonderful & 'Cindy' our corn is doing wonderful! *she's 8mths now* We just love her to pieces! What a small world! :) Thanks again for making my buying online experience an easy & personable one! :D
 
Wow v_various, I just took a look at that list and I would have to say I'm not to happy with the SPCA right now. Seems they want to ban darn near everything BUT cats and dogs.. *sighs* All the pets I eventually wanted go right out the window with that plan. Also Boas and Pythons. Ouch. That puts a well known and respected breeder near me right out of business. At least they would allow currant animals to be grandfathered in with a permit. It still sucks. I hate my province at time.

As for the the original topic. While I do not support outright bans I DO support permits to own. To many people will by exotic animals because it's cute/intersting/small/something new and then get tired of it when it gets to big or they get bored. Permits would (hopefully) make it so that people would be at least a bit more serious about buying said animal. The permits themselves are not that hard to get once you find out where to get them. Though it's the finding out that sucks.
 
Mark,

Please don't take this as argumentative, I am the lowest level of NOOB. After reading the link you provided I think I might have found a loop hole. If I am correct, the law requires dealers to possess a permit for Elaphe obsoleta (as well as Anacondas and Garter snakes) but NOT Elaphe guttata guttata or Pantherophis guttatus. The website says that all colubrids are unrestricted EXCEPT those listed in the Appendix, and there is no specific mention of corn snakes in the Appendix.

The following are excerpts from vtfishandwildlife.com/importation_commercial.cfm:

"Effective January 23, 2008, a new regulation (Regulation #881) requires persons/businesses in Vermont that sell or trade wild birds and animals (except fish) to obtain a Dealer's Permit."

"The newly adopted regulation also establishes a list of Domestic Species and Unrestricted Wild Animals for which no state Importation and Possession Permit is required of permitted commercial dealers in Vermont."

The second PDF; Unrestricted Wild Animals (September 2007) states, "All species of colubrids, except those listed in Appendix that require an importation and possession permit"

What do you think?

Josh
 
So basically the State did not make them illegal, but you may be required to have a permit.

This isn't that bad of an issue, its like getting your cat or dog license.
St Paul MN requires you to have a permit for any snake. It makes no difference if its a Burmese python or a garter snake.

The only problem I see with this law are Trade Shows. If more states get them, it may make it difficult to do a large show.
 
..............breeding and housing venomous animals is illegal hence in some provinces in germany. I agree to 100% to this decision. but now the parliament is discussion if this law will be enlarge to all reptiles! :shrugs:
 
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