Cool on the frozen thaw. I think that may be a first for him. Now on the girl, remember she needs to hungry before she will even think about it. Actually, she needs to be starving. Shes had two good meals now, back to back, so she should be able to go for 2 weeks in between feedings, otherwise she will always be a snake that needs to be needle fed. They have to actually starve. If you were put into a room with a water buffalo, when you were 9 years old, you might have to get pretty desperate before you would think to kill it and eat it, because A. Thats not what your supposed to eat, and B. You've never done it before. and C. why would you go to the trouble if you were not very hungry ? Problem feeders just don't get it