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Question about hybrids...

tyflier

tyflier

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I know there are "JungleCorns", a hybrid between cal. kings and corns. My question is really twofold:

1)If I were to breed a king to a corn, and produce nice looking hybrid offspring, could those offspring potentially be fertile forfuture back-breeding?

2)If someone were to do this, and was 100% honest in all assessments as far as making it known that the offspring were hybrids, what would be your personal opinion of this practice and the retail sale of these hybrids as a "new hybrid morph"?

All opinions from experienced breeders, hobbysits, and petowners alike will be greatly appreciated...
 
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I'm not sure about the fertility of the offspring for that particular pair, but since jungle corns are fertile, those probably will be also. I guess it will depend upon how close in genetic make-up the two species are.

Anyone breeding hybrids should make that known when selling the offspring. However, mot everyone does, someone forgets, and others simply don't realize their creamsicle is a hybrid. Hybridization happens all the time. I'm even slightly considering it as my Cali kings have been getting older and closer to breeding age.

As for their retail value, I haven't a clue. It might all depend upon what the offspring look like. I like the look of jungle corns...but not all of them. The ones that look more like Cali kings or cornsnakes don't appeal to me as much as the ones that really look like a hybrid. Perhaps a photo of a king toa corn will help as I haven't a clue what that is.
 
I guess I just prefer purebred snakes, just as I prefer purebred dogs and horses and cats. Which is not to say I haven't seen some absolutely stunning hybrids. And yes, I do realize the opinion is out there that all snakes are either intergrades or hybrids and there is no "pure" blood out there anymore. Intergrades bother me a lot less than breeding two different genuses. Just my opinion.

Nanci
 
This website has some hybrid X hybrid crosses. Some of their crosses involve cal. kings. I guess when more start hatching they'll have a bigger variety available.

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/available.html

But it gives you an idea anyway. Maybe you could e-mail them and ask if you have any questions? It looks like they'll try anything at least once.
 
I really really don't like hybrids at all.
And besides, cornsnakes are reptilian perfection, why mess with them?

Even mutt dogs are not combined species.
It's just so wrong and frankensteiny to me.
 
People have already bred corns to lots of different kings, milks, and even gopher snakes. Although I haven't done it myself, Mark Bell has done it many times and tells me that the first generation cross is really difficult. You have to trick the male by using his own kind, then substituting at the last minute. And many of the first generation have low fertility. But Mark says the crosses are much easier to breed back to each other or either parent species, with better fertility than the first generation.

That is about all I know about it. For more details, you should probably Google corn hybrids - there are probably some forums where people specialize in them and would know much more about them.
 
Susan said:
... Perhaps a photo of a king toa corn will help as I haven't a clue what that is.
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That should read, "a king to a corn", not a "king toa"...my space bar has personal issues, and only works when it feels like it...

*but I can edit my posts now...:D.
 
For example, I find this snake to be amazing. Its beauty over rules my anti-hybrid feelings.

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06 Imperial Pueblan x Nelson Milksnake # 2

25% Apricot Pueblan Milksnake(Lampropeltis t.campbelli)
25% Albino Banana Kingsnake(Lampropeltis getula californiae)
50% Nelsoni Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni )

Nanci
 
Nanci said:
For example, I find this snake to be amazing. Its beauty over rules my anti-hybrid feelings.

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06 Imperial Pueblan x Nelson Milksnake # 2

25% Apricot Pueblan Milksnake(Lampropeltis t.campbelli)
25% Albino Banana Kingsnake(Lampropeltis getula californiae)
50% Nelsoni Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni )

Nanci
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Nanci, I have to be honest- as I read this thread I had it in mind that I thought hybrids were kind of.... not worth it, as I find them not as attractive.

......and then you go and blow my opinion out of the water with this photo.

That, is a gorgeous snake. I love the saturated colour and the lovely contrast!
 
And then there is this type: (from probreeders.com)

A hybrid developed from extreme peach-orange thayeri x albino ruthveni

Nanci

(But I'd pretty much kill for that kingsnake/milksnake/milksnake snake)
 

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I am not much for hybrids.. Intergrades I can deal with, but different strokes for different folks.. Just don't be looking my way for Jungles or any other type of corn king cross or corn milk cross.. Emoryi corn crosses fine, maybe even a possible white oak phase rat corn crosses ( It is suggested that is where ultramel came from, but there is more testing to be done to absolutely confirm this... ) .. :shrugs: :cheers:

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
tyflier said:
That should read, "a king to a corn", not a "king toa"...my space bar has personal issues, and only works when it feels like it...

*but I can edit my posts now...:D.
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OK...I see it now! That's what I get for reading & posting that early and without my necessary amount of caffeine yet! I know there are some "exotic" species of rat snake/corn snake and figured that was one of them.
 
tyflier said:
I know there are "JungleCorns", a hybrid between cal. kings and corns. My question is really twofold:

1)If I were to breed a king to a corn, and produce nice looking hybrid offspring, could those offspring potentially be fertile forfuture back-breeding?

2)If someone were to do this, and was 100% honest in all assessments as far as making it known that the offspring were hybrids, what would be your personal opinion of this practice and the retail sale of these hybrids as a "new hybrid morph"?

All opinions from experienced breeders, hobbysits, and petowners alike will be greatly appreciated...
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To my knowledge offspring are fertile and I will post pictures in the photo gallery when babies hatch from this Jungle x Jungle breeding...
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Cool...I'm considering seeing what a florida king X corn would create...it has me interested.

Don't worry...IF I decided to do it, and sell them, they would be completely and honsetly disclosed for what they are...genetic Hybrids between two different species of snakes...But the original breeding would be more of a "curiosity satisfier" than a money-making business adventure...
 
I would love to see what hatches out of that jungle clutch. The look of that pair really strikes my fancy, and with the variety of potential offspring, I might be able to find just the right one to be a part of my collection. Then I won't have to deal with trying to produce my own.
 
Susan said:
I would love to see what hatches out of that jungle clutch. The look of that pair really strikes my fancy, and with the variety of potential offspring, I might be able to find just the right one to be a part of my collection. Then I won't have to deal with trying to produce my own.
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Now there's an idea...those are definitely some nice looking snakes...
 
Daeraelle said:
This website has some hybrid X hybrid crosses. Some of their crosses involve cal. kings. I guess when more start hatching they'll have a bigger variety available.

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/available.html

But it gives you an idea anyway. Maybe you could e-mail them and ask if you have any questions? It looks like they'll try anything at least once.
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I gotta tell ya...some of those hybrids were pretty freakin' cool looking...
 
SickPyth7 said:
To my knowledge offspring are fertile and I will post pictures in the photo gallery when babies hatch from this Jungle x Jungle breeding...
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Do you ship? I want one of those! My '06 jungle has those colours but is motley.
 
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