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Interesting day at the office!

Proof? That will take some time.

Here is a comparison photo of a “Sunset” Lavender and Lavender possible het. Striped Opal that I took today. They are obviously extremely different. What is causing this? How do I prove what it is? I think that will be difficult! I guess that will depend on what I get when I breed a “Sunset” X “Sunset” or “Sunset” X Lavender het. “Sunset”, if it is going to work that way. That will be several years down the road. The Casper X Het breedings might produce a higher ratio of “Sunsets” The three corns that I have in my possession that are very different from a normal Lavender, “Casper“, “Sunset”, and “What the Hell” from this group of breeders are also different in appearance, but have a similar “Hypo type” look to them as a group. Have you ever lost a card off the top of one of your cages? Well, I do that now and then and Casper’s turned up missing. I don’t know who his mother was, so I am breeding him to the mothers of the other two suspects.

These “Sunsets” are coming from the same breeders as my Striped Lavenders, so your Striped Opal is not out of a “Sunset” Lavender, but a sibling to them or cousin. Consider the ratio of these “Sunsets” to the Striped Lavenders for example. I produced three of the “Sunset” type Lavenders and five Striped Lavenders/opals in 2003 out of 175 eggs. These odds suggest a double or triple homozygous snake.

I am actually not confident that the Casper breeding to the mothers of the “Sunset” and “What the Hell” will produce more “Sunsets”. Casper really has more of a hypo look to him. The “Sunsets” have a pink look to them, but if you look close around the blotches you can also see a “hypo” look there as well.

I am not making any claims as to what these “Sunsets” are yet, except that they look very different from a lavender and I have not seen them anywhere else except from Frey’s Lavenders. So far, nobody else has produce a photo of one, which I would like to see. I have seen a lot of Lavender Corns and they do vary, but not like this. I have some Lavenders that I bought from Rich Z that have a lot of pink on them, but other than the pink around the blotches they look like a lavender. There is definitely something different about these “Sunset” Lavenders, but your guess would be as good as mine at this point.

The Lavender Motley that I bought from Frey looks almost exactly like or has the same “Look” as the “Sunset” Lavender that I produced here except for the pattern of course. This suggest that the cause of this look has existed within the Lavender group, long before I got lavenders. Perhaps this “gene“, if that is what the cause of this look is, was carried by the female Lavender that I used to start this project, which came from Frey through Rainwater is the way the story goes. Some of the hets that I produced would also be carring this gene or combination of genes. Now that I am breeding them back together, this “gene” or combo of the Lavender gene and another are matching up.
 

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Casper comparison photo

Here is a comparison photo of Casper and a Lavender. Lavenders do vary a great deal, but this seems to be outside of the normal variation that you see with Lavenders. Even the “Sunsets”, if you look close around the blotches where the black should be, have an opaque “Hypo” look to them, like the opaque black areas of a Hypo Corn.
 

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Joe,

Are you sure there are no Lava genes mixed in there? When I looked at the heads of those "Sunset" Lavendars it reminds me of the same look your Ice Ghosts have.

Whatever they are, they are beautliful and I wish you luck getting more of them. Because if you do, that means later on I'll be able to get one from you. :D
 
No Lava genes!

No Lava genes or any other known hypo gene in the mix. I may have lost Casper's card, but I know what project he is out of.

The only genes in the mix are Lavender/Striped and amel. Frey sure doesn't have any Lavas and he is producing some of the same things.

Something else is trying to show its head though. Perhaps some secondary genes, that we have not noticed before?
 
Am I het amel or not?

I always liked this amel Striped. She is striped head to tail and Striped amel and nothing else. She should bring out some contrasting stripes!
 

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Striped Lavender poss X Normal het Striped Opal

Brother figured it out today too!
 

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Partial Striped Snow Motley X Frosted Anery het Motley

I always liked this girl. She is very black and blueish gray with the frosted look.

I have been holding back these partially striped Motleys for several years. I am not sure why, but the offspring are always variable and a surprise.
 

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Love is in the air!

Striped Butter male x Amel het striped/caramel

Just thought I'd add to the breeding pics, Joe!

Great to see the little stripers actively breeding!

Vic dC
vdc86@hotmail.com
 

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Purple and Yellow Corns WOW!

It is amazing how far we have came in the last 15 years. Back then, there was only Snows, Amels, Anerys and Hypo Corns. I think we will be just as surprised at how far we have gone when we look back on the next 15 years. Perhaps Blue and Green Corns?! How about a Rainbow corn with all the colors of the rainbow.

I have to get me some of the Butter Striped Corns this year. The Butter Motleys that I have are one of my favorite!
 
Partial Striped Snow Motley offspring

Here is one of the above Partially Striped Snow Motleys offspring from a different female (Motley het snow). I personally like the snows with more pink, but this adult Snow Motley comes from my oldest line of motleys that produce very red amel Motleys. I have always liked the "Red" amels over the orange ones. I have been sellectively breeding for the Striped Motleys for years now and they just about all have some striping on them these days.
 

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Hurricane Motleys

I also get a lot of Hurricane Motleys from the non- striped breeders from this same line. I didn't even know what a Hurricane Moltey was until this year. I guess I have had that pattern in my colony for a very long time. For some reason, most of my breeders are snows, but I am going to match them up to produce more of the Very "Red" Motleys this year. The Red amel Hurricane Motleys look nice!
 

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I can definately see a major difference in that casper comparison photo. Those are all hot snakes Joe, best of luck with them this season. Mike
 
All those photos in this post are great!
Wish that I had some of these!!!!!!
Great looking snakes!!
Good luck with the pairings to all of you out there!
 
Lavender Motley + or - ?

Here is my new Lavender Motley to match up with the Male that I have. She has the same look as the the "Sunset" Lavender that I produce. There is something different about these guys.
 

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Lavender Motley

Here is my Lavender Motley with the new one hiding under the moss.
 

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Comparison Photo

Lavender Motley and "Sunset" Lavender Motley. It almost looks like half of the Lavender color was taken away, like a weak hypo gene would do. I don't know what is causing this, but it sure looks like something different with in the Lavender group to me.
 

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Matched set

There is a milky, opaque look to them. Something has to be missing that a normally colored Lavender Corn has.
 

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Sunset Striped Lavender Corn Snake

Boy Mike, I was looking at the photo you posted of your Striped Lavender and he has the same look as my "Sunset" Lavender and "Sunset Lavender Motleys.

Please everyone, I am just using "Sunset" for discussion purposes and that is what I happen to call them around here for now.

It is almost like the normal lavender color has been lifted off and the underlying color is showing through or the Lavender color has been diluted in half by something. A dilute gene perhaps. Other animals have dilute genes. Casper looks the same really, he is just not very pink underneith.

They are really nothing like a "Cotton Candy" type Hypo Lavender, but seem to have a hypo type gene effect to them.

Here is another picture of Casper. In the right light, he has more of a pink look to him, like the other "Sunset' Lavenders.
 

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Proof

Mike wants to know how we will prove this is a new type of gene if that is what it is? When I look at these in person and in the photos, compared to a regular colored Lavender Corn, it is obvious that they are different and it is very likely that it is genetic.

I guess the proof will have to come like it has come with other morphs/genes.

It needs to be reproducible, which by the numbers of them so far seems likely.

Can the gene be recovered from hets?

Is it compatible with other Hypo genes. It really doesn't look to me like a hypo gene, but something similar, like a dilute gene.

Is this "Dilute" gene contained within the Lavender Group, or can it show itself with other anery type genes? (Anery A, Charcoal, and Caramel)
 
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