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Bloodred question

MysticExotics

MysticExotics

(formerly NWHeather)
I have two babies, that were labeled as poss het pied, from a pair of Bloodred parents, the male is pied.
Since both parents are BR, wouldn't the babies be BR?
These two don't have the grey head, or the diffusion, but they are more reddish, & each have a clear stripe down their belly.
I figured they'd be het for BR, since both parents are BR, but someone said the whole clutch should be BR then.
I'll post a few pics...
The first three are Nakai, the male, & the other two are Nivi, the female.
 

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They are both normals that display masque.

There are a couple different options here. First would be that one of the parents was not BR like the breeder claimed. We all know that homo BR x homo BR = 100% homo BR babies.

Second, the female could have retained sperm from a previous pairing.

Was this the first breeding for the female? If not, what was she bred with before the sire to your babies?

Do you have pics of the parents?
 
fyrefocks said:
They are both normals that display masque.

There are a couple different options here. First would be that one of the parents was not BR like the breeder claimed. We all know that homo BR x homo BR = 100% homo BR babies.

Second, the female could have retained sperm from a previous pairing.

Was this the first breeding for the female? If not, what was she bred with before the sire to your babies?

Do you have pics of the parents?
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I don't have pics of the parents, but I did see them, & they're both BR. I don't know this breeder well, but he has a pretty good reputation locally. I would be inclined to believe him that the parents were in fact BR as he said.
I got them second hand, from someone else, but I was with her when she picked out the babies.
The retained sperm could be the answer. I will have to ask him if/who she was paired with before. I don't think he even had any normals in his breeding stock. I'll have to double check.
The clutch consisted of babies that either looked like mine, & some obvious BR's.
Thanks Nate! :)
 
Those are definitely *not* bloodreds. :/ Could one of the parents have actually been a motley?
 
If the male is pied, all baby's are 100% het pied, since pied is recessive as far as I know. I guess someone mixed up something somewhere.
 
Blutengel said:
If the male is pied, all baby's are 100% het pied, since pied is recessive as far as I know. I guess someone mixed up something somewhere.
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Yeah, these babies are het p/s br. But if both parents are BR then the babies should be BR too. Thats what we're discussing currently.
 
I was about to say the same thing as Blutengel. If the breeder knew what he was talking about, he would know that a homo pied male would produce %100 het babies, not poss het babies like he told your friend.

Also, if he showed you a pair of bloodreds and said that these babies were the offspring, then he doesn't know what bloodreds are supposed to look like which would worry me a great deal. It is very possible that the female retained sperm from another male, but wouldn't the breeder know as soon as he saw the offspring that that is what happened? If he knew, and didn't tell you then that's a problem. If he didn't know, well, thats a problem too.
 
martin-bernstein said:
I was about to say the same thing as Blutengel. If the breeder knew what he was talking about, he would know that a homo pied male would produce %100 het babies, not poss het babies like he told your friend.

Also, if he showed you a pair of bloodreds and said that these babies were the offspring, then he doesn't know what bloodreds are supposed to look like which would worry me a great deal. It is very possible that the female retained sperm from another male, but wouldn't the breeder know as soon as he saw the offspring that that is what happened? If he knew, and didn't tell you then that's a problem. If he didn't know, well, thats a problem too.
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The possibility of retained sperm has been brought up, & I've emailed the breeder to try & get more info. There's an Expo this weekend, but I hope to hear from him soon.
He's got a pretty good reputation, & I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely a case of retained sperm.
I was there, but didn't ask many questions, because it was my friend getting the babies, & I had to ask her details later, when she gave me these babies.
(I was busy looking at all the morphs..he had a Blue Motley, that I wanted, but he wasn't available) :)
 
nwheather said:
The possibility of retained sperm has been brought up, & I've emailed the breeder to try & get more info. There's an Expo this weekend, but I hope to hear from him soon.
He's got a pretty good reputation, & I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely a case of retained sperm.
I was there, but didn't ask many questions, because it was my friend getting the babies, & I had to ask her details later, when she gave me these babies.
(I was busy looking at all the morphs..he had a Blue Motley, that I wanted, but he wasn't available) :)
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The guy who sold me Serra still has a male sibling available, and possibly more babies. He ships. Search Susquehanna Ectotherms in teh google.
 
nwheather said:
I have two babies, that were labeled as poss het pied, from a pair of Bloodred parents, the male is pied.
Since both parents are BR, wouldn't the babies be BR?
These two don't have the grey head, or the diffusion, but they are more reddish, & each have a clear stripe down their belly.
I figured they'd be het for BR, since both parents are BR, but someone said the whole clutch should be BR then.
I'll post a few pics...
The first three are Nakai, the male, & the other two are Nivi, the female.
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You said they were labeled as poss. het pied, that's why I asked :)
 
nwheather said:
The possibility of retained sperm has been brought up, & I've emailed the breeder to try & get more info. There's an Expo this weekend, but I hope to hear from him soon.
He's got a pretty good reputation, & I'm inclined to believe that it's more likely a case of retained sperm.
I was there, but didn't ask many questions, because it was my friend getting the babies, & I had to ask her details later, when she gave me these babies.
(I was busy looking at all the morphs..he had a Blue Motley, that I wanted, but he wasn't available) :)
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Blutengel said:
You said they were labeled as poss. het pied, that's why I asked :)
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Aha! I got an email from the breeder...I was wrong. The parents are normal, with hets, & 2 of the babies in the clutch are bloodred, & the rest were normal, like mine. After he showed us the babies, he showed us the pied bloodred male, & the bloodred female with him. They are 50% poss het bloodred & pied.

He's got a partner in the breeding, who has the parents to my babies & he's going to get me pics of the parents, but it's better explained now.
My friend thought the parents were BR too, so I'm glad I asked the breeder.
Had I known I was going to end up with some of the babies, I would have paid closer attention to what he was saying about the babies. LOL
 
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