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OkeeteeMom

OkeeteeMom

Lovin' My Snakes!
Okay, so now that I've been in here for almost two weeks and seen the vast variety of animals you all have...I'm wondering about my "Evie". What kind of Okeetee do you think she is? I still don't understand the breeder's genetic terms with the 'Het' and such. But can you help me to get a better idea of who she is (even if it's just sincere guessing)? I'd appreciate all the thoughts you have and thank you in advance.

Her body color is a sort of Rosy-Brownish, yet kind of Platinum-Taupe (she doesn't look like the common colored ones, to me)...
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Here's her underside...
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Welcome to the wide wide range of 'classics', aka normals. I personally would not call her an okeetee at all.
 
She actually looks more like a Miami to me than an Okeetee. Okeetees, Miamis & Normals, A.K.A, Classics, A.K.A Carolina corns & Keys corns are all a wild normal type corn. Just by the inbreeding that occurs within their ranges, they have a more distinct appearance from each other. Then breeders have taken specimens from these ranges & by line breeding them have enhanced the differences between them.

Most corn genes are recessive, requiring a copy of that gene from both of it's parents for it to be visible by the snakes appearance. So if you breed a normal to, say, an Amel, the normal parent can only give the offspring normal genes & those are dominant. However the Amel parent can only give the offspring the Amel gene. So the offspring will have one set of normal dominant genes that will make them look normal but they will have another set of Amel genes from the other parent. That makes them "hetero" or het for amel, having two non matching genes. If they are then bred to either a visible amel, (one having two matching Amel genes or "homo" amel) or to another het amel animal it will have some normal offspring & some visible amel offspring. If that makes sense? Hope that helped!
 
SHIARI...

Shiari said:
Welcome to the wide wide range of 'classics', aka normals. I personally would not call her an okeetee at all.
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Really?! I only called her Okeetee because that's what the shop I bought her from told me she was. Of course, I can probably just add that to the list of all-round crappy information they gave me on her, like:

"She's about one year old" (The Vet said she's 5-7 y/o)
"Feed her 2 Rat Hoppers a week" (The Vet said feed her once a week or up to once a month)
and "She's Gravid". We'll see about that.

Thanks for you input Shiari

Tavia said:
She actually looks more like a Miami to me than an Okeetee. Okeetees, Miamis & Normals, A.K.A, Classics, A.K.A Carolina corns & Keys corns are all a wild normal type corn.
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Well now this is interesting! I have noticed quite a few pix of Miami's with that same rosy-brown-platinum-taupe body color. I still 'don't get' the genetic info...not at this point anyway, but I really appreciate your explanation!

Thanks for your input Tavia
 
OkeeteeMom said:
Really?! I only called her Okeetee because that's what the shop I bought her from told me she was. Of course, I can probably just add that to the list of all-round crappy information they gave me on her......
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I have noticed that most people who don't know much about corn morphs like to label any atypical looking normal as an Okeetee. If it doesn't look like a Carolina, then that's what it must be! Maybe Okeetee is a name more widely known than the others? Or it sounds cooler. I've also seen some Carolina looking corns labeled Okeetee & I think that is the reason. Carolina is almost always referred to as either normal or classic, so Okeetee probably sounds more exotic & worth more.
 
Reminds me of pictures someone posted of an Alabama WC corn. Definitely a normal, and not an okeetee at all.

Those "hips" don't look healthy. Could be fat deposits, judging by the diet the store recommended that's probably the case. Rats are high in fat and at her size she should probably be eating one mouse every two weeks or so. What is her feeding schedule right now?
 
VICKYCHAITEA...

VickyChaiTea said:
Reminds me of pictures someone posted of an Alabama WC corn. Definitely a normal, and not an okeetee at all. Those "hips" don't look healthy. Could be fat deposits, judging by the diet the store recommended that's probably the case. Rats are high in fat and at her size she should probably be eating one mouse every two weeks or so. What is her feeding schedule right now?
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Thanks for your input! We've definitely adjusted her eating! Even though we paid for her we feel more like we rescued her!
 
I'd call her classic. Tell them about her exciting trip to the "herp vet!!" Poor baby!!
 
EVIE'S WELL CHECK...

My poor scalebabie got subjected to a well-check by an odd "Specialist"...

The blue print are the Vet's answers (if you can call them that) to my questions:

“I think she has edema.” :::takes out a needle and sticks Evie in the butt, extracting fluid for a slide::: :(

“I pretty positive she’s a girl by the length from her cloaca to the tip of her tail…it’s really long…males are shorter”.

Her weight: 540 grams, “She’s completely normal, not overweight”

Heart rate: Very Good

Lungs: Very Good

Possible Age Guesstimate: 5-7 years

Gravid: “maybe, maybe not…I can’t feel any eggs but you never know until you know”

Feedings: “One rat weanling a week is fine, if she eats it right away. If she shows no immediate interest in food, cut back her feedings. You can feed her once every 2 weeks, or three weeks or a month…I don’t care. Vary her diet…give her a mouse or a Gerbil once in a while. And do supplement her meals with something such as ReptoCal.”

Slide Analysis: “No edema, just a fatty butt, but she’s not overweight”.

It sounded somewhat clear to me (yet contradictory regarding her weight). But no matter...young or old...gravid or not, she’s loved and has a forever home with us.
 
Wooooow. Were they really a reptile specialist? Like, certified? D: From that conversation it looks like I know more about snakes than they do... which is sad.
 
NANCI & VICKYCHAITEA...

Nanci, I know you weren't making fun of Evie.

VickyChaiTea, it was bad (IMHO) that I had learned much already from this AWESOME forum, and then I had to listen to some kind of babble from a "specialist". Granted, he's not a 'Corn Snake' expert, but I certainly would have appreciated some distinct and precise answers (for the most part). I didn't enjoy watching Evie get fat extracted on the theory of "edema", but I promise...no matter how long it takes, I'll find a more convincing person practicing herpetological medicine.

Bottom line is, I don't care what Evie is...boy, girl, fat, skinny, young, old...she has a forever home with us. It's just kind of nice to try figuring out her bloodline, so to speak.

:)
 
Nanci, that was classic. I love your joke about the vet...lol...

On the corn, just feed her a mouse every couple of weeks, Gypsy was on her way to being large in the hips when I got her and since then I have changed her food around from eating a rat weanling a week or so to a large mouse every two weeks. Mice have less fat from what I have read and are better for the snake anyway.

Also, she looks like a classic corn to me. She is beautiful, alot like some Wild Caught ones I have seen pictures of.
 
WINGEDSWEETHEART...

Thank you for putting all that effort into such a brilliant chart...wow! I'm going to study it.
 
OUTCAST/AARON...

Outcast said:
On the corn, just feed her a mouse every couple of weeks, Gypsy was on her way to being large in the hips when I got her and since then I have changed her food around from eating a rat weanling a week or so to a large mouse every two weeks. Mice have less fat from what I have read and are better for the snake anyway. Also, she looks like a classic corn to me. She is beautiful, alot like some Wild Caught ones I have seen pictures of.
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WOW! So you had almost the same situation. How old was Gypsy when you got her?
It's bugs me that there are so many fatties out there (for health reasons). Animals in the wild live 'on the edge' (I realize that we're talking mostly captive bred). We've been exercising her every day (sometimes twice). Thanks for your input.
 
Take a look at Meg's comment in the Large Snakes thread. And do you know how to do the Cornsnake Treadmill?
 
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