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How much space is enough space?

Lick_um

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Another newbie question.... I currently have 2 corns, a male snow aprox. 4 years old and about 4 foot long, and a hypo. striped approx. 1 year old and about 3 foot long. I am keeping them in a 65 gal. tank that I have divided equally down the middle. That would make each side approx. 18" wide x 18" deep x 21" tall. Is this sufficant for the two to live and be happy? I have used lexan as the divider and drilled 2 holes through it to allow me to use a large and a small bendable junge vine to go between the two. So they have the means to climb up. But when you put the hide and water dish for each it makes the actual ground space minimal. I could have divided the tank equally the other way making the diminsions 36" long x 9" wide x 21" tall, but that just seemed to be real long and narrow. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks all,

Eric
 
An adult snake can live happily in a 24 qt container. I currently use Sterelite containers, 24 qt for adults and 12 for yearlings and hatchlings. As long as the snakes can move around easily you should be ok. Although, with a 4 foot snake, you might want to look into moving the larger snake into a larger viv. A good way to do that is to take out the divider and let the 4 foot snake have run of the 65 gal and get a 20 gal long for the yearling.
 
For a pair of adults a 4ft-18inch-18inch viv is perfect and fo a single adult a 3ft-18inch-18inch viv is perfect. If you have the room though i would always use a 4ft-2ft-2ft viv for a single and the same again or 5-6ft long for a pair.
 
Hi,

Wow, you are correct about that being a small amount of space. The recommended enclosure size for an adult corn snake is a 20 gallon long tank -- which has the dimensions of 30x12x12. Bigger is, of course, better, but it should certainly be no smaller than that.

Space issue aside, the other problems I can see you having are lack of a proper temperature gradient and not enough hides. You want to have one on both sides of the tank, one for the warm side and one for the cool. With only one hide, the snake may sometimes be forced to either endure a temperature that is not comfortable or to stay out in the open when he wants to hide.

What I would personally do is get another tank for the smaller snake and leave the larger in the big one. If you don't have room for another tank that size, the 20 long should work fine. You can get the Critter Keeper sort at Petco, which has the sliding/locking lid. PetsMart also sells something similar in a kit. I think they're about the same price.

Good luck, and hope you get that other tank. Your snakes would definitely appreciate it. :)
 
pcar said:
An adult snake can live happily in a 24 qt container. I currently use Sterelite containers, 24 qt for adults and 12 for yearlings and hatchlings. As long as the snakes can move around easily you should be ok. Although, with a 4 foot snake, you might want to look into moving the larger snake into a larger viv. A good way to do that is to take out the divider and let the 4 foot snake have run of the 65 gal and get a 20 gal long for the yearling.

Paul,

I was also thinking about using the 12 qt containers for my hatchlings. How do you heat them? Belly heat?

I am going to build my own rack system this summer but I kinda am looking for ideas on heating the containers short term.

Thanks!
 
howiet4702 said:
Paul,

I was also thinking about using the 12 qt containers for my hatchlings. How do you heat them? Belly heat?

I am going to build my own rack system this summer but I kinda am looking for ideas on heating the containers short term.

Thanks!

I just answered your other post here http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17001.

Right now, all my sterelites are sitting on the floor as I haven't had the time to build the rack yet. Currently I am using Cobra UTH for them. But, when I get the rack finished, I will be moving to Flex Watt Heat Tape. Although the Heat tape is pretty expensive.
 
Lick_um said:
Another newbie question.... I currently have 2 corns, a male snow aprox. 4 years old and about 4 foot long, and a hypo. striped approx. 1 year old and about 3 foot long. I am keeping them in a 65 gal. tank that I have divided equally down the middle. That would make each side approx. 18" wide x 18" deep x 21" tall. Is this sufficant for the two to live and be happy? I have used lexan as the divider and drilled 2 holes through it to allow me to use a large and a small bendable junge vine to go between the two. So they have the means to climb up. But when you put the hide and water dish for each it makes the actual ground space minimal. I could have divided the tank equally the other way making the diminsions 36" long x 9" wide x 21" tall, but that just seemed to be real long and narrow. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks all,

Eric
All I have to say is take out the divider and let them be together, they will not eat eachother because cornsnakes are not canabilistic. Their have been times were hatchlings eat eachother but not adults.
 
So you think the 65 gal. is sufficeint for the two? I have debated on keeping them together since I got the second one - but people have on this and other forums have recommended aginst it due to sickness for the most part. And what about feeding - would you just feed one and hold the other, then vice/versa? I would love to do this - but I want to make sure everything will be OK.....

Thanks again,

Eric
 
Lick_um said:
So you think the 65 gal. is sufficeint for the two? I have debated on keeping them together since I got the second one - but people have on this and other forums have recommended aginst it due to sickness for the most part. And what about feeding - would you just feed one and hold the other, then vice/versa? I would love to do this - but I want to make sure everything will be OK.....

Thanks again,

Eric

Eric, their are 2 posts right now going on about keeping snakes together. Read through them both and make an educated decission. Their are more reasons why not to put them together then just cannabilisum. One of the posts is entitled "cuddling cornsnakes", but I can't recall the title of the other one...
 
Lick_um said:
So you think the 65 gal. is sufficeint for the two? I have debated on keeping them together since I got the second one - but people have on this and other forums have recommended aginst it due to sickness for the most part.

There is so much debate on that topic at the moment. What I personally feel is that you are responsible for keeping any animal in your possession in the best conditions possible. To do any less is irresponsible and not right for the animal. When it comes down to housing them together, it IS irresponsible, for although they aren't known to be cannibalisitic in the sense that kingsnakes are, it DOES happen and I myself would refuse to take the risk.

Also, I remember another post of yours where one of them regurgitated right after eating. In such a case it's easy to tell who it was, of course, but what if it was three days later and all you have is a nasty, smelly pile of regurge? How can you tell who did it? It would mean not feeding either snake for 10 days, and if it happened again, you would have to seperate them, feed them, and then see if it occurs again... which means one snake will be going quite a long time without food, through no fault of his own. Same thing if one became ill and was having bad feces or the like.

It really is in the best interest of the animals to keep them seperate. Maybe 20 years from now there will be 'proof' that snakes really aren't solitary and like to spend time around each other, but it's also obvious that they aren't harmed by living alone, whereas in living together there are risks. I'll stick to the cautious side and suggest keeping snakes seperate.

Besides, a 20 gallon tank isn't expensive. Considering the lifetime cost of keeping the snakes, their food, health care, etc. it's a pretty small investment. Good luck.
 
Lick_um said:
I am keeping them in a 65 gal. tank that I have divided equally down the middle. That would make each side approx. 18" wide x 18" deep x 21" tall.

If your tank is indeed a 65 gallon, it most definitely comes from height and depth. A total of 36"x18" (my 25 gallon is 32"Lx13"Dx13"H) which is perfect for one corn.

Corns need the floorspace so if your tank is (for example) 12x12 (floor space) and 72" high (tall and skinny) and classified as a 65 gallon (or whatever), it's not roomy enough because it's lacking the floor space. Now lay that on it's SIDE, and you've got yourself a good home.

I would suggest getting a second tank, personally. 18x18 really isn't much floor space at all for an adult corn (though it would be fine for a hatchling).
 
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