Cayenne Fire just shed

Here is my male Cayenne Fire male 07, he just shed today.
Thanks for looking
John

Very nice. Bummed our little fire girl died.

Great, I just burned my retinas...

eeek...next time warn us that we need sunglasses!

Hope u make some I want one. I really like this guy. One of my top five morphs. Now were did I put my visine

Wow, so that is why that morph is called "fire".

Get me on the baby list. Yea should have been named magna

Woo! What a stunner. I'm still loving my babies from you! I'll post new pics next time they shed.

What a great snake!

Gorgeous! One of my favourite morphs...! Wish that I'll someday have one, it's just more than difficult to find any in Finland. I think we don't have that morph at all here.

caliente! Hot Hot Hot! Wow, I hope to have fires one day. For now I have 3 nice amels and a diffused to work with. YUM!

Oh wow! Utterly GORGEOUS! Do want! It'll be going on my list of Big Sparkly Eyes.

Are these simply selectively-bred Fires? Definitely on my "want" list!

Also, thanks, my eyeballs melted.

So pretty! When I think of a fire corn, that is exactly what I think of.

Candachan said:

Are these simply selectively-bred Fires? Definitely on my "want" list!

Also, thanks, my eyeballs melted.

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Sorry about the eyeballs!
These are from Don's (South Mountain Reptiles) line that Marsha (Poppycorn) has been working with and named them. They believe there are two (or more) new or different genes that are causing this, one is the "red cherry" that causes the deep rich reds (also found in Don's sunglows) and the other is the "cayenne" that causes the diffusion. Some of this is also seen in Don's and Marsha's coral lines and they believe it is related.
The babies reach a real red look faster than there parents, here is a 09 baby (this pic was taken 5 months after birth).
Thanks
John

They believe there are two (or more) new or different genes that are causing this, one is the "red cherry" that causes the deep rich reds (also found in Don's sunglows) and the other is the "cayenne" that causes the diffusion. Some of this is also seen in Don's and Marsha's coral lines and they believe it is related.
The babies reach a real red look faster than there parents, here is a 09 baby (this pic was taken 5 months after birth).

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Nice one, John!
Yes, at least two genes. The "cayenne" gene gives the outstanding and early diffusion and the "wild cherry" red factor gives an extra dark cherry red color to both the "wild cherry" fires and the "wild cherry" bloodreds. If I have this right, my Wild Cherry bloodred and Rubicon fire are both homo for the "wild cherry" red factor because every one of the fires and bloods from that pairing has that extra kick of cherry red. I think there also may be one or two other genes that influence how young the snake is when these factors are expressed. But when they all come together, it's an OMG WOW!

I have been working with putting the "red factor" from the sunglow stripe and sunglow motley into fire and I have animals that I am pretty sure are homo for the sunglow red factor. It's too soon to be sure, but so far it doesn't look the same to me as the "wild cherry" red factor. I produced red factor fires from sunglow stripe lines last year and (unproven) "sunglow" red factor fire stripes and they do not look like the wild cherry fires and nothing like the wild cherry cayennes. It's a bit hard to tell for sure just yet because the early expression factor is such a big part of the sunglow stripe and also the cayenne look and I'm not sure I've recovered that one in same snakes that have the others.

I also produced coral fires and at this point I'm almost certain that is not the same gene as the sunglow or wild cherry red factors. Ultimately that may be the better gene for cherry color but with every shed I change my mind which is the better gene for deepening the red on fires.

I will try to get some photos showing the differences when I get a chance.

Very interesting John and Marsha.

And John, I have not forgotten your request for pics on my 09 cayenne line snakes. The 1.1 fire pair from Don, the 1.1 ultramel cayenne pair from Don, and the 1.1 pair from Hector that you have the father of I believe.

What ever the case they are great. I know. My sunglow is rather deep red don't if its the same gene mentioned but has made me wonder about pairing her with a fire.

Wow I want one.

poppycorn said:

I will try to get some photos showing the differences when I get a chance.

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Marsha,
Thank you so much for taking the time to really explain this properly. I know how busy you are. We would love to see some more pics, please???????