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$600 to begin breeding...

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freddiesinmyseat

Near-Future Breeder
not sure if I found the right forum for this, but I didn't see anything that fit better lol.

anyway, I asked this question on ball-pythons.net and got some interesting answers (except with $1000 to start).

so, my question is this. if you were JUST starting to breed cornsnakes and you had a $600 budget (after all supplies/racks/etc)...what kinds of cornsnakes would you get and why?

I would love to see answers of those that are already breeding, what they started with and what they would have done different as well as anyone interested in breeding and what they're considering for their beginning stock :)

aaaaand GO! :blowhead:
 
None lol, After racks, mice, hatchlings racks, and shoe boxes and bins you'd be broke. Get a few snakes as hatchlings that you genuinely like an raise them up. Make sure you have a species you are passionate about and love caring for, make sure you have the time, contacts, some real start up money, and necessary supplies. Breeding isn't a get rich quick scheme or something cool to try- its an investment of time, money, sweat, more time and money, and a lot of satisfaction if you enjoy it, but its not for everyone and if your serious consider more like $6,000 to start some real breeding projects.
 
You could go two ways about it... you could get a couple or few high end animals and focus on producing just a few of a harder to get, more expensive morph (and if so $600 might not get you much to start with) or you could get a bunch of less expensive ones and produce the usual amels, anerys and snows and not make as much per hatchling but produce more hatchlings.
But the most important thing is It all boils down to what do YOU like? It might not be what is most popular but if you are breeding to sell you are in it for the wrong reasons anyway. Why do you want to breed? You will most likely not make any money breeding, the only reason to do so is because you have a passion for the hobby. And if so you should always go with the morphs that have the most appeal to you personally, the ones you can feel excited about and insprired to produce the nicest ones you can.
 
Learn from the school of hard knocks.. If you actually really look, your best to research it on your own.. When posed with a question of this nature, I am more than reluctant to give any information at all, generally I ignore these because they seem so loaded to me.. Good Luck!


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
freddiesinmyseat said:
not sure if I found the right forum for this, but I didn't see anything that fit better lol.

anyway, I asked this question on ball-pythons.net and got some interesting answers (except with $1000 to start).

so, my question is this. if you were JUST starting to breed cornsnakes and you had a $600 budget (after all supplies/racks/etc)...what kinds of cornsnakes would you get and why?

I would love to see answers of those that are already breeding, what they started with and what they would have done different as well as anyone interested in breeding and what they're considering for their beginning stock :)

aaaaand GO! :blowhead:
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If you really want to do so, and with $600.00 to spend on your first snakes. get a few of the common morphs. why? you ask, because most people who are at reptile expos with their kids are not buying the high end morphs. I sell more $ 25.00 - $75.00 corns at shows than anything else.
So get your "early on" income that way. Also consider selling "Out Of Egg" wholesale at first. this lets you breed hatch and sell without any of the work of selling established Hatchlins. That by the way is more work than most people realize!
Now with the income you make from doing the "common/ Volume" thing as I call it, FIRST and foremost, purchase any equipment you may need, additional racks, ect. Then use the extra money to SLOWLY, purchase your higher end morphs. Stay away from buying "PROVEN BREEDERS" to try and fast track your colony, ask yourself why would someone move a proven breeder (female). do not get me wrong some are legit, some are not and to find out next breeding season she is a dud, is a waste of your time and money. Build your colony up from hatchlins, it will build sound pride in the product you produce!
Lastly, do not try to become too big, too fast. Once you get in over your head, you'll start to tire, slack off and things will quickly go south on you.
So, with that, I wish you luck in your venture!

As, far as which morphs to eventually buy,... well thats up to you to figure out ;)
 
Old_School said:
If you really want to do so, and with $600.00 to spend on your first snakes. get a few of the common morphs. why? you ask, because most people who are at reptile expos with their kids are not buying the high end morphs. I sell more $ 25.00 - $75.00 corns at shows than anything else.
So get your "early on" income that way. Also consider selling "Out Of Egg" wholesale at first. this lets you breed hatch and sell without any of the work of selling established Hatchlins. That by the way is more work than most people realize!
Now with the income you make from doing the "common/ Volume" thing as I call it, FIRST and foremost, purchase any equipment you may need, additional racks, ect. Then use the extra money to SLOWLY, purchase your higher end morphs. Stay away from buying "PROVEN BREEDERS" to try and fast track your colony, ask yourself why would someone move a proven breeder (female). do not get me wrong some are legit, some are not and to find out next breeding season she is a dud, is a waste of your time and money. Build your colony up from hatchlins, it will build sound pride in the product you produce!
Lastly, do not try to become too big, too fast. Once you get in over your head, you'll start to tire, slack off and things will quickly go south on you.
So, with that, I wish you luck in your venture!

As, far as which morphs to eventually buy,... well thats up to you to figure out ;)
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finally, a straight answer LOL!

I think most of you have me all wrong. I was just curious as to what YOU guys would do. I'm definitely NOT in it as a get rich quick. I can see why most of you would assume so with all of the people coming in here with a passing interest in snakes as an income.

I appreciate this answer very much because it actually gives me a lot of relevant info. though I don't think I'll be selling wholesale (or even get that big lol!) I do appreciate the tip about expos. that would definitely help support the snakes and feeders. I'm actually going to be breeding as a hobby more than a "business"...I've still got my day job which I plan on keeping to help with the bills.

while I do hope that breeding snakes will be able to support me and my girlfriend one day, I doubt it would be any day soon...or at all.

and with that, does anyone else have any input?

personally, I plan on working towards diffused/blood red morphs but will probably start with combo pattern/color. I love miamis and okeetees, kisatchies and banded corns are interesting to me too :p. also enjoy a good charcoal or hypo. would definitely love to get my hands on a tessera (1k? ahhh! lol) but that will be a few years down the line.

so with that being said, I'll be hoping to pick up some snakes at the upcoming expos as follows ('07 or earlier if possible, but willing to raise from hatchlings):
1.2 hypo
1.2 anery
1.1 okeetee

and maybe 1.1-2.4 '09 ghost combos

I know I probably won't get those specific ones and will have to work around peoples' prices (these are just estimates based off kingsnake :p) and what morphs are available, but that's the general ballpark of where I wanna go
 
danielle said:
None lol, After racks, mice, hatchlings racks, and shoe boxes and bins you'd be broke. Get a few snakes as hatchlings that you genuinely like an raise them up. Make sure you have a species you are passionate about and love caring for, make sure you have the time, contacts, some real start up money, and necessary supplies. Breeding isn't a get rich quick scheme or something cool to try- its an investment of time, money, sweat, more time and money, and a lot of satisfaction if you enjoy it, but its not for everyone and if your serious consider more like $6,000 to start some real breeding projects.
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I was talking after all supplies were purchased, 600 just for the snakes themselves :p

I know it's not a get rich quick, anyone looking to do so hasn't done their research and/or even care for the snakes.

I've done research on starting costs, rack costs, flexwatt, thermostats, etc. and I'm aware of what it'll cost me to get up and running as a HOBBY lol.

I do however plan on dumping most of my available funds into breeding corns and ball pythons...loves me the scaleys...and I'm just glad my girlfriend is actually foolish enough to encourage me...HA! :laugh:
 
ghosthousecorns said:
You could go two ways about it... you could get a couple or few high end animals and focus on producing just a few of a harder to get, more expensive morph (and if so $600 might not get you much to start with) or you could get a bunch of less expensive ones and produce the usual amels, anerys and snows and not make as much per hatchling but produce more hatchlings.
But the most important thing is It all boils down to what do YOU like? It might not be what is most popular but if you are breeding to sell you are in it for the wrong reasons anyway. Why do you want to breed? You will most likely not make any money breeding, the only reason to do so is because you have a passion for the hobby. And if so you should always go with the morphs that have the most appeal to you personally, the ones you can feel excited about and insprired to produce the nicest ones you can.
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thanks for the response :)

I don't plan my initial investment to put me past 10 breeder sized snakes. I know that's probably not considered much by all of the veterans, but I do want to start somewhere without posing too much of a risk to the snakes' health or my financial ability to support them.

I know you all started somewhere and you didn't automatically know everything. I've done plenty of research for and by myself without help from forums, all I really wanted was a "I started with snows and I still love snows, if I did it again, I'd do the same" or such, ya know? lol. this was more for curiosity than any kind of business planning. I try not to rely on others when it comes to financial matters, money fluctuates enough with just me looking at it...don't need to add in other peoples' opinions to that matter lol!

sorry if I've repeated anything in the last couple posts, it's hot as you know what here...and it isn't dry...head's a little off base atm XD

but again, thanks for the response and hope to hear from you again soon :)
 
TandJ said:
Learn from the school of hard knocks.. If you actually really look, your best to research it on your own.. When posed with a question of this nature, I am more than reluctant to give any information at all, generally I ignore these because they seem so loaded to me.. Good Luck!


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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been doing plenty of research and do plan on getting first hand experience. I'm not looking for a business plan, just what peoples' interests are and why they would choose those certain snakes (like do they plan on combos or they're just the favs, maybe they have "secret plans"? who knows)

thanks for the input though, greatly appreciated :)
 
Yea I think we are having the same heat wave here. So if I sounded like I was lecturing, well it's hot and I am grumpy LOL. But we do see a lot of people come and go on this forum and it can be hard to tell who is for real and serious and who sees breeding corns as a get rich scheme. If your hobby pays for itself and you enjoy doing it that can have as much or more value than money in the bank.
OK maybe I didn't get what you were asking for in the original post so this is what I started with: An amel, snow, and anery. Don't have a single one of them anymore. I did gain valuable experience breeding them but my interests have changed since.
I think my question is still valid: What do YOU like? For instance I hate blood reds. I might see them selling like hot cakes but to me they are just blah and I would not breed them. On the other hand, I love ghosts. I don't see a huge demand for them and they are not a high end morph but I keep on working with them because I like them.
 
I'm not looking for a business plan, just what peoples' interests are and why they would choose those certain snakes (like do they plan on combos or they're just the favs, maybe they have "secret plans"? who knows)
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I try to resist on following the trends.. Would rather work on my own junk than competeing against others..
 
ghosthousecorns said:
Yea I think we are having the same heat wave here. So if I sounded like I was lecturing, well it's hot and I am grumpy LOL. But we do see a lot of people come and go on this forum and it can be hard to tell who is for real and serious and who sees breeding corns as a get rich scheme. If your hobby pays for itself and you enjoy doing it that can have as much or more value than money in the bank.
OK maybe I didn't get what you were asking for in the original post so this is what I started with: An amel, snow, and anery. Don't have a single one of them anymore. I did gain valuable experience breeding them but my interests have changed since.
I think my question is still valid: What do YOU like? For instance I hate blood reds. I might see them selling like hot cakes but to me they are just blah and I would not breed them. On the other hand, I love ghosts. I don't see a huge demand for them and they are not a high end morph but I keep on working with them because I like them.
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lol! np. like I said, I know there's plenty of people in this day and age looking to get rich quick.

blood reds, I do enjoy, but I see myself looking to use the diffused gene they have more so than the color. ghosts are beautiful...I haven't however seen a certain hypo/anery combo yet...which I'm probably going to try if I can get my hands on the right morphs lol!

me and my girlfriend tend to go for the high contrast snakes. if you've ever seen an axanthic killerbee ball python, you'll know what we mean :laugh:

if I can find the right mix to create something as stunning as that, I'd be more than satisfied with my breeding experience :)
 
Old_School said:
Also consider selling "Out Of Egg" wholesale at first. this lets you breed hatch and sell without any of the work of selling established Hatchlins. That by the way is more work than most people realize!
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I think selling at the shows and chatting with passers by is one of the (many) best parts! I love my time at shows, but then again, I'm not selling that many snakes or going to that many shows, which makes it much less stressful.

As for what I would get, I agree to stay in the $20-$75 level, I think varied clutches are a lot of fun, and I'm a fan of stripes, so that all adds up to a snow stripe and a het snow stripe, if you can get them. That, of course, doesn't get up to $600, so if you want to go high-end I might go with a sunkissed and a charcoal stripe, although they're a bit hard to find. I think that would be a fun breeding project.
 
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It's such a question of personal taste. . . if you are going to end up with a room full of corns that take up all your free time, they should be the ones you like.

I love miamis . . . I love dark red saddles against gray backgrounds, it is just so pretty. I also love motleys and stripes in just about any color because I like to see different/unusual patterns. Anerys because of the black/gray combo . . . I also think normals can be really cool because you can find so many different shades and patterns within them.

Abbott's are beautiful (to me) because of the thick borders and bright colors (especially if the background is more yellow), but don't care as much for regular Okeetees because I think the background color blends too much with the saddle colors *LOL*

I like bloodreds, especially if the adults have little to no pattern left and the red is a really intense, dark red, but as Jen said, she doesn't like them . . . whereas I don't really like caramels and Upper keys because I think the color combo is not very attractive in caramels and the Upper Keys look washed-out to me. But there are tons of people who like the caramels and Upper Keys who are probably getting ready to yell at me! Like I said, it is all a matter of personal taste.

Oh, and I used to hate amels (and any of the albino types because I hated the pink eyes) but now have a snow whom I love - pink eyes and all. So, even your own tastes can change over time.

So, go with what you love, and worry about the money later . . . *grins*

BTW, I have recently seen one or two caramels that I thought were sort of pretty . . . so they are slowly growing on me . . . Jen will laugh at this, but the only caramel I thought was really pretty was a bloodred caramel! :)

Ok, have to stop now . . . the list keeps getting longer and longer! . . . Oh, and having a few multi-hets are fun because you never know what will show up!
 
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That $600 would, for me, go into buying a couple more aneries and ghosts of the phenotype that I prefer (light light background, dark wide borders, light/colorful saddles) as well as some nice phantoms.
 
I guess I didn't see this question in this way *shrugs* . . . I was more thinking: "If you had extra money laying around (remember, this is a FANTASY *LOL*) what corns would you buy and why? Sort of a "what's on your want list" type of question . . .

TandJ said:
Learn from the school of hard knocks.. If you actually really look, your best to research it on your own.. When posed with a question of this nature, I am more than reluctant to give any information at all, generally I ignore these because they seem so loaded to me.. Good Luck!


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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tbtusk said:
I think selling at the shows and chatting with passers by is one of the (many) best parts! I love my time at shows, but then again, I'm not selling that many snakes or going to that many shows, which makes it much less stressful.

As for what I would get, I agree to stay in the $20-$75 level, I think varied clutches are a lot of fun, and I'm a fan of stripes, so that all adds up to a snow stripe and a het snow stripe, if you get them. That, of course, doesn't get up to $600, so if you want to go high-end I might go with a sunkissed and a charcoal stripe, although they're a bit hard to find. I think that would be a fun breeding project.
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I too also love the shows. Nothing beats spending the day networking with other Herpers, or when someone buys one of your Corns and tells you how beautiful they are. nothing like good old fashion pride!
 
Now see, I like anerys with light backgrounds and uniformly dark saddles because of the contrast. Again, personal prefernce *LOL

Shiari said:
That $600 would, for me, go into buying a couple more aneries and ghosts of the phenotype that I prefer (light light background, dark wide borders, light/colorful saddles) as well as some nice phantoms.
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