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A future breeder's quesion...

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zlehmann

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Hi all!

As some of you know I haven't officially become a snake owner yet, but am already addicted. I am planning to get into breeding a few years from now (want some experience under my belt) and just had some quick questions that will influence which snake I get my first time around.

1. Do Miami, Classic or Okeetee's have any affect on colors or patterns? For instance would a Miami offspring possibly be darker/grayer than a classics? Would a Okeetee's offspring have thicker saddle borders?

2. What do you do with all of the babies?! 8-30 in a clutch?! My plans would be to keep a select few and sell the others, but I was curious how hard it is to find people/stores that are willing to buy them?

2b. Do you need some kind of permit or something to ship the young guys?


Thanks in advance for the help. This really is a great place for info and I really appreciate all the valuable knowledge you guys pass along, especially as someone just looking to get into the snake world.
 
2. What do you do with all of the babies?! 8-30 in a clutch?! My plans would be to keep a select few and sell the others, but I was curious how hard it is to find people/stores that are willing to buy them?
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I sell all of mine to my local reptile shop. However, they are also a dealership and they supply other shops throughout the UK, so they can easily take 60-100 of mine and still come looking for more. If shops in your area will take your hatchlings, you might have to trade with more than one.

I get much less for each hatchling that I would if I sold them direct to new owners. A shop is usually a more reliable and predictable market, not to mention more convenient than having to individually pack and ship dozens of babies. However, be warned that they are subject to market forces and if demand suddenly drops off, you could find that they won't be able to take your hatchlings, even when arranged in advance. This has happened to me twice over the years.
 
> 1. Do Miami, Classic or Okeetee's have any affect on colors or patterns? For instance would a Miami offspring possibly be darker/grayer than a classics? Would a Okeetee's offspring have thicker saddle borders?

To the last question, yes - for a good one. to the others, normal phases look similar to all normals, but a good eye can often tell them apart with some degree of accuracy..not a lot, though.; If you mean can you ID Okeetees and Miamis from the same clutch? No, because you would be unlikely to get good examples of either one from such a mixed clutch!


2. What do you do with all of the babies?! 8-30 in a clutch?! My plans would be to keep a select few and sell the others, but I was curious how hard it is to find people/stores that are willing to buy them?

Better find that out for yourself in your area BEFORE thinking about breeding! This is the hardest part about breeding! PLUS, 90% of the people that want to buy a beby BEFORE it hatches decide they changed their mind after it hatches. Don't rely on a couple "I want one!" from friends!

> 2b. Do you need some kind of permit or something to ship the young guys?

Need top get certified, and YOUR state may require everything from a dealer's license to a business permit.
KJ
 
Thank you both very helpful indeed!

I think I need to clarify my first question. I was curious if I get a Miami and breed like an anery or something (let's say going for a dark gray and black all over), would I have better success with a Miami, who is already gray in some areas or does the phase generally not influence that sort of thing?
 
If you are asking "can you produce a Miami Anerythristic" or "Okeetee Anerythristic" - or similar morph, the cases where that has really happened are rare. Albino Miamis are really rather orange and not "candycane looking," biut those ARE the origin iof the candycanes. It just took 30 years of selective breeding to get there. Albino Okeetees were easier to make, but still took a few generations. In other words, it is NOT a simple project, but it can be done. Expect to spend many generations on it before getting decent results, though.
KJ
 
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