A Mango Corn Snake? (How to make Yellow?)

[backafter30]

I am new to breeding, but am very fortunate that my wife is enthusiastic and supportive in my efforts. Her favorite color is yellow, so I have been looking for a corn with as much bright yellow and as little pattern as possible. Like along the lines of solid orange and red we have in the Fire Stripes, but in all yellow. I haven't found what I'm looking for, so I thought maybe I could create one. First, have I missed it, and this has already been bred elsewhere? Second, what genes might create this morph when combined? And third, what morphs should I be looking for to lessen the time it will take me to get all the right genes together in one snake? When I try to work it out, the task of putting together 4 or 5 recessive genes sound rather daunting. Any advice?

 

[stephen]

Well

Goldust Stripes are pretty yellow looking and some are vanishing patterns
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=171019&stc=1&d=1365296789

 

[Carpe Serpentis]

Stephen, now this one is a beauty. I think, if this one suits your fancy, you won't have to recreate the wheel.

 

[Jessica29]

Butter (amel + caramel) stripes are a beautiful bright yellow. And most, as adults, are fairly solid colored. Here's a pic of one of mine.

You can veiw pics of all the corn snakes morphs here.
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/

 

[boricua00735]

John at colorado corns has a hypo sulphur stripe that is killer. She is one of the nicest yellow snakes ive seen. I picked up two babies of hers a fire and a bloodred stripe u might want to check his site out.

 

[codymi]

johns hypo sulfur stripe is amazing. it would be even more yellow if you made hypo sulfur vanishing pattern.

 

[backafter30]

Thanks everyone! I do love your Golddust Stripes, Stephen, but they're not in my budget right now. It is nice to see one way to get yellow, though, and how they bright they are when young. I wonder how they'll look as adults? That's a CornXGrey, with Ultramel and Caramel? I've seen other pics on Ians that don't look anywhere near as nice as yours. I like your bright yellow.

I do have a butter stripe, Jessica, and he is a beauty, but most of him is more of a beige or butterscotch. If only the yellow on his neck would continue down further...

Actually, I just met John last week at the reptile show. He was the only person I purchased from that day. Really nice guy. I'll have to bring this up to him directly, but hypo sulphur stripe... that's five recessives, but kind of along the lines of what I figured would be necessary.

Do we have any genes that enhance yellow without boosting too much red? A yellow-orange would be ok. Ultramel? Sunkissed? Anyone ever cross Corns with Yellow Ratsnakes? Or is there an amel Yellow Rat out there?

Just thinking. Thanks again!

 

[Kokopelli]

Hybrid crossings do not really "behave" as you would expect them to... the results are usually varied and unexpected... and by according to many, unappealing.

Any "hypo-like" gene coupled with Caramel should empower the presence of the yellow whilst diminishing the blacks... sunkissed, Lava, Ultramel(AKA the goldust you spoke of), Ember(Hypo type A Caramel).

I think the Honey stripe route is great:
http://www.snakecanyon.de/files/ima...ntherophis-guttatus/gallery/honey-striped.jpg

 

[tspuckler]

It's hard to beat the intenisty of the yellow in a Butter Stripe and their prices aren't to bad compared to other yellow options.

 

[backafter30]

Wow, there must be some serious variability just within Butter Stripes. Tspuckler's example is really yellow, but with a grayer tone on the head and last half of the body. Jessicas example is more even, but a paler margarine color. My own snake is more of a warm caramel color, fading to a beige on the back half. It's definitely not a caramel, because it has pink eyes. So is the amount of yellow something that can be improved on through line breeding? Does age have much to do with it? I notice that pics of hatchling butter stripes I see online aren't very yellow at all. Can I expect my own snake to get brighter (he's about 24", a 2011 I assume).

I'd still love to assemble a morph deserving of the name "Mango".

 

[Carpe Serpentis]

I've seen some incredible yellow hybrid snakes and what can I say, many love hybrids although there are definitely those that do not so they often lead to heated debates of opinion. A search on the internet can show you what has been tried and what the resulting hybrids generally look like. The excitement with hybrids for many is the variability it introduces as well as the new and exciting combinations that may then arise. I personally love many of the yellow specimens of corn snakes I have seen as well. Tequila Sunrise cornsnakes appeal to me a bit more though personally.

 

[Tara80]

Honestly in my opinion, the most beautiful yellow snake morph is the Honey (sunkissed caramel). They start out very subtle but the yellow becomes more intense as they age.

Here's my male honey taking out one of his girls on "a date" .

The brightest yellow I've ever seen was this guy's dad. Carson, I believe, owned by Don Soderberg and borrowed by Chuck Pritzel. Super bright snake.

 

[backafter30]

Tara, that is indeed a beautiful snake. I was thinking even brighter, and hopefully patternless, though. Has anyone done that Honey in a stripe? How about adding Amel? What's a Sunkissed/Butter called? Would a Diffused gene help? Maybe I'm a bit optimistic thinking I can get that many recessive genes together, but I'm a beginner, and just using my imagination. I was also checking to make sure I wasn't spending time creating something I could just go out and purchase. I wanted to do something different.

 

[Isoldael]

Here's two pictures of honey stripes (juvenile and adult):
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/honey_stripe/