Any caramel lavenders yet?

[Cas]

Just curious if anyone's produced caramel lavs yet, and if there are any pics out there?

 

[hediki]

i dont think thats possible, im not a genetic wiz but just like anery A & B wen there homo for both genes they look like a regular anery A. and from wat i can recall lav and caramel are a type of anery so i think they would come out looking like 1 or the other. but it would be intresting.

 

[Joejr14]

Just curious if anyone's produced caramel lavs yet, and if there are any pics out there?

I dont think you'll see that around anytime soon. What would be the point in producing something like that?

 

[carol]

I dont think you'll see that around anytime soon. What would be the point in producing something like that?

LOL, just to satisfy curiousity Joe.
I have a Hypo Lav X Amber clutch incubating right now... just for grins.

 

[Rich Z]

i dont think thats possible, im not a genetic wiz but just like anery A & B wen there homo for both genes they look like a regular anery A. and from wat i can recall lav and caramel are a type of anery so i think they would come out looking like 1 or the other. but it would be intresting.

Well that would be like saying that Hypomelanism is a form of Amelanism.....

They are all separate genes and as far as I can tell not directly related to the other. I have been breeding animals het for both Caramel and Lavender for a couple of years now (with Hypomelanism thrown in for chuckles), and all I can say is that results are a bit confusing. This is one of those situations where you don't know what you are looking at, even though you know the genetics possibilities of the parents that produced them. If you have three different looking animals in the same clutch, and NONE of them look like anything you have seen before, which one is THE ONE that combines all the target genes? Or is it all of them and there is just that much variation right off the bat? Unfortunately, there is no real way to tell this early in the game.

 

[JTGoff69]

This is one of thos situations where you don't know what you are looking at, even though you know the genetics possibilities of the parents that produced them. If you have three different looking animals in the same clutch, and NONE of them look like anything you have seen before, which one is THE ONE that combines all the target genes? Or is it all of them and there is just that much variation right off the bat? Unfortunately, there is no real way to tell this early in the game.

Now that is the problem isn't it? LOL There are so many theoretic possibilities, BUT the problem is telling them apart. Lavender anerys, (What gene overrides the other, can you tell them apart from regular anerys, or regular lavenders?) I, myself, am going to have a problem down the road distinguishing what is what when breeding certain hets to others. I guess I'll have to rely on everybody to help!

 

[snakepimp]

Lavender Caramels. - A Belgian Dessert?

Well, in my experience Lavender sort of "overrides" Anerythrism (Type A, at least) But I believe I can see a subtle difference in the Lavender Anerys as opposed to just Lavender, but that could be delusion, becasue I have not seen enough lavenders in person to be sure. Rich Z says he can't tell the diff. between Lavender and Lavender+Anery conclusively, and I think it is probably wise to take his word for it.
I am really interested to see Caramel Lavenders. I like that Rich is continually baffled by some of his own projects, it gives me .... something, not hope, but some kind of sick satisfaction that I am not crazy for being confused by the outcomes of various breedings. Corns are fun that way... it's part of the allure.

 

[Cas]

Any pics of any of those mystery clutches Rich?

 

[Rich Z]

Any pics of any of those mystery clutches Rich?

Probably. But I would have to scan through the 1500 or so photos I took just last year alone to find them........ Maybe this hatching season I'll post them as they hatch out.

 

[franklin]

Hey Rich

Would you happen to have pics also of the ORIGINAL STRAIN of bloodreds from back in the day?????? I'm getting started on this Bloodred project of my own and I'm curious to see how dark they really were.

Thanks,

 

[Rich Z]

Would you happen to have pics also of the ORIGINAL STRAIN of bloodreds from back in the day?????? I'm getting started on this Bloodred project of my own and I'm curious to see how dark they really were.

Thanks,

Heck, that was back when I was using prints and slides. No telling where they may be. I have stacks of old photos that I am likely to just throw away. Matter of fact I am going to finally sell my Nikon 35mm camera. I will never use it again.

I did have one animal from the original strain up till a year or so ago, but don't remember if I took any photos of her. I may have when she laid one of her last clutches, but again, no telling if I could find them. But the original Blood Reds were VERY DARK. That and that stark white abdomen is what really caught the eye when you saw them. I used that last remaining female for some projects, so I am hoping I can recapture that look down the road sometime.

 

[Carlos]

I have some pictures of my old male that I have until last year. Old bloodred line. I use him last year with 3 different females hopping to get that line back.

 

[LukeH]

The older bloods look like they were very different, and dark.

LukeH

 

[Rich Z]

Well that didn't take me long at all to luck into this photo:

At least I think that is the old female I had left from the original stock. That photo was taken in 2003.

 

[Joejr14]

Wow. It seems that the current bloods are much 'brighter' shade of red than the older ones. It's too bad that they were such a pain in the ass with throwing such small babies that had problems feeding.

Hopefully that can be picked back up down the road.

Can you tell us what you bred her to in 2003, or is that a hush hush?

 

[Rich Z]

Heck, I can't remember what I did last week, much less two years ago!

But probably she was bred by a Hypo Lavender. Seems to me I was doing that project then. Or maybe it was a Butter Motley..... Those offspring aren't on my radar screen, so I don't know. They are too old for me to be taking care of (the workers are doing that) but too young to be on the breeders list. So I don't even know where they actually are without searching for them.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Heh, I have to say that the dark stripes are enough of a reason (for me anyway) to not like the old bloods. I like the "cleaner" look they have now.

 

[Khaman]

Heh, I have to say that the dark stripes are enough of a reason (for me anyway) to not like the old bloods. I like the "cleaner" look they have now.

I have to agree.

 

[ecreipeoj]

My old man has the same type of striping. I have seen photos of some of Don S old line that also have the striping. Perhaps it is just “aging” stripes. LOL

Most of the photos of the “Old line” that I have seen are fairly consistent in coloration.

 

[Sisuitl]

I know one person who's got an 8 or 9 year old blood red male that was adopted from the University of Washington. They were using him in their genetics lab. Anyway, he's a gorgeous deep dark red, don't remember him having stripes though.

Also, at the Hillsboro show there was a 2 yr. old male blood red for sale, he looked just like the pictures in this thread, striping and all.