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Are Normals Easier?

Are normals easier to keep than exotic morphs?

  • Yes, definitely

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • I think I've noticed a difference

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • No, are you kidding?

    Votes: 34 85.0%

  • Total voters
    40

GregF

New member
Seems that I read somewhere that bloods could be finicky eaters and it got me to thinking. Are normals generally easier to keep and more likely to thrive than exotic morphs? I only have one of each (not that a Sunglow is all that exotic), so I'm in no position to judge, although my 3 month old Okeetee is a very enthusiastic eater. What's the collective wisdom of the group?
 
Should be about the same. Differences will be more between individuals than morphs. That issue with the bloods is thought to be solved with outcrossing- as far as I know..
My Bloods are pigs..
I voted "No are you kidding?" But don't take offense, I don't mean the "Are you kidding part." It's a good question considering what you've heard. :grin01: :cheers:
 
I'm sure I read on here somewhere that Okeetee's especially are very enthusiastic eaters, they are also the more temprementle of the corn snakes. But I could be completely wrong here lol :sidestep:
As far as normals go I wouldn't have a clue but I imagen that if it works that way for Okeetee and feeding it could quite possibly work that way also for Normals. This is all just my opinion and by no means defenatly correct lol :shrugs: But I voted yes anyways xxx
 
I also think it's down to the individual snake rather than the morph as a whole.

I have two Normals; one is a laid back old fella but the other is a raving nutjob with the feeding instincts of a hyena, who'll bite me if I go near her on the grounds that I'm warm and therefore potentially edible.

The first couple of generations of Bloodreds seemed to be picky eaters and some failed to thrive. However, with the bloodlines strengthening as they bred, I'd say they're now as hearty as any other morph.

I wouldn't buy any morph expecting "hard to handle" or "easy to deal with" just because of the colour. Their individual characters develop slowly as they grow up. I'd say that the snake you have at three years old, is usually the way it will stay for the rest of its life.

So it's the gloves for me and Jemima for the next 15 years...!
 
bitsy said:
I have two Normals; one is a laid back old fella but the other is a raving nutjob with the feeding instincts of a hyena, who'll bite me if I go near her on the grounds that I'm warm and therefore potentially edible.

Of course you are edible, did you not get the memo?
 
Feeding responses and the ability to thrive is dependant on the indvidual snake...which in turn is completely independant of the color morph.

Consider, first, that an okeetee is technically a normal, line bred for the thick borders. There is no such thing as "het. okeetee", because the okeetee traits are not simple recessive genes. Same with miamis. The difference between an amel and an RO?...line breeding for thick white borders. The difference between a bloodred and a normal?...simply the color genes.

True, a "young morph" may have issues relating to feeding and/or aggression that are developed along with the color combinations. But I believe that these issues will resolve themselves within a few generations and a widening bloodline/genepool from which to choose, because I believe that these issues develope as a direct result of thin genepools used to creat the morphs for the first couple of generations. Once this genepool has been widened and deepened through outcrossing and combining the recessive gene, these issues *should* be thinned out, too.

The reason? These issues will probably develope when the parents of a new morph-line show these traits or tendencies. These negative traits than get passed on to the offspring along with the desirable traits...until the bloodlines are thinned enough that the negative traits(which are not simple recessive genes) are dissipated and thinned out...leaving behind only the desired traits of the morph(which are passed on through simple recessive genetics).

For example: Rich Z. discovered the first "caramel" in a pet shop. If this initial animal had feeding or aggression issues, those traits would have a high percentage of being passed on to any offspring that snake produced, regardless of the fact that ALL of the F1 offspring were normals. As those offspring are bred back to the same adult...the negative traits are reinforced in the F2 generation. When F2 offspring are back-bred to each other...these negative traits are further reinforced.

However...once the caramel corns from the F2 breeding of the original parent are sold and outcrossed by different breeders for their own caramel bloodlines, these negative traits disappear. So what is technically F3 or F4 from the original parent snake, becomes a clutch of normals from an outcrossed parentage by a completely different breeder, and mixed with a completely new bloodline, thus thinning these negative traits out of existence in their bloodline. However...there has now been 5-7 years of "bad rap" for this morph based on the limited bloodline and experience people have had from them. ALL of the first 2-3 generations(or more) of the caramel morph came from the same place and the same parentage. It is only reasonable to assume they have the same tendencies.

Obviously...that is over-simplified, and I made it up. I don't know that the original caramel line had agression or feeding issues, it was just a line that I knew was started from a single homozygous animal in one place, and it is a reasonable example of how 1 parent exhibiting negative traits alongside a recessive color trait, would produce offspring showing the same negative traits for the first few generations of offspring, but eventually thins out the negative traits, which are not passed along as reliably or consistantly as a single recessive gene combination.
 
tyflier said:
Obviously...that is over-simplified, and I made it up. I don't know that the original caramel line had agression or feeding issues, it was just a line that I knew was started from a single homozygous animal in one place, and it is a reasonable example of how 1 parent exhibiting negative traits alongside a recessive color trait, would produce offspring showing the same negative traits for the first few generations of offspring, but eventually thins out the negative traits, which are not passed along as reliably or consistantly as a single recessive gene combination.
:-offtopic I know this is slightly off topic (sort of)
I breed English Bull Terriers, well I did until recently. (your only a breeder if you have young available. And I haven't for a year or so )
My point is, I select dogs to go with bitches from the Kennel Club register. This is a bible for the lineage of dogs. no wild caught blood no strange genes in the pool (unlike snake breeding). I selected a dog I knew to be the best mate for my bitch. It was successful and meg threw 9 pups. 3 boys 6 girls.
All the pups were like any other pups we've thrown, except one bitch.
we always selected dogs for there looks and temperament,and never failed to produce even tempered nice family pets. This bitch was different, she got much bigger than the others, she looked more like a dog than a bitch. She didn't like being "just a dog"and growled at people.
We ended up keeping Georgia, she has never been like any of her brothers and sisters ( you can take them with other dogs). She has wolf blood in her, she's the most *game* English Bull I've ever come across. Not laid back at all.
What I'm trying to say is she's an individual. nothing to do with she's nasty because of her breed, if it was genetic they would all be like it. and I can trace most of Georgia's relatives and they're stupid dogs like Georgia's mam and dad. Or Meg and Taz as we call em. So as you can see I vote no.
MIKE
 
I have:
2 normals
1 anery
1 amel
1 snow
1 lavender

Of all of those, my *most* enthusiastic eaters are my amel, anery & snow. My male normal is a relaxed eater, but by no means does he ever refuse. My female normal & my lavender are finicky...the female normal needed the dark to eat (she's now growing out of this!) & she won't eat when in blue (all of the rest of mine will!), and my lavender needs the dark & his food washed. I don't know if lavender qualifies as "exotic," but if so, I still had a fussy normal. However, in spite of the feeding challenges that I did have, I'm grateful that that's *all* I've had!
 
Tula_Montage said:
What about normals HET bloodred? ;)
That is pretty much the point I was trying to get at, though it took me ALOT longer to say it ;).

IF the gene(s) associated with the bloodred color morph were irrepairably associated with genes for picky eating habits, than het. bloods would have the picky eater genes as well...which would blow the normal theory out of the water, because normals het. blood would be picky eaters(or at least more picky than others, etc.). The same would hold true for any other color morph genes associated with picky eating...the picky eating genes would be passed along with the color genes, and normals het.(whatever) would be pickier than "normal" corns...

As it is, we know this is not true. It is therefor reasonable to assume that it is an individual trait neither associated with nor connected to other color related gene combinations...

Of course, I am basing all of this off of a very limited resource of knowledge, and all of my assumptions should be recognized as merely that...assumptions, conjecture, and opinion...
 
Honestly I haven't noticed a difference...

Ironically my ONLY fussy and problem feeder is my adult normal...lol
 
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