Assistance, please. :) Anery A vs. Anery B

[Tsuhei]

Hello everyone! I was wondering if anyone could assist me on confirming the genetics of my fiance's hatchlings. Shiari took a look at them in my original thread, here: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138384.

I was wondering if any others agreed that these babies are not charcoals, as I noticed a good portion of them were shaded differently than others (primarily noticing that the eyes were different). I did a little reading up, and supposedly charcoals are supposed to have darker/almost black eyes and aneries (A) have silver eyes? I'm just hoping that there's a mix of charcoals and Aneries (A) in this clutch.

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The sire is a Phantom het. Charcoal and Diffused. The dam is supposed to be a charcoal, but it looks like she's anery (either way, mystery hets).

And now, the two babies I picked that look a bit different than each other. (sorry, hands were a little sweaty in these...)

DA001:

DA004:

 

[Tavia]

I really stink at guess the morph, but to me anyway, the upper one appears Anery A and the lower one Charcoal, they both kind of look like they have Masque markings on their heads as well.

 

[Nanci]

I think Mom looks more like a charcoal than an anery. No yellow. Babies are so contrasty, though. But they have the blue 'eyebrows" that people associate with charcoal...Wait for a more expert opinion!

 

[Shiari]

The first one looks anery, the second one is definitely charcoal, might even be a charcoal-anery. I would test breed mom to something plain anery. If you get all anery babies, you'll know she's an anery het for charcoal, in which case that charcoal baby would indeed be an anery-charcoal.

Here's one I hatched out this year:

 

[KvanAalten]

Well at least theres the Masque thing floating around, I'd say the second one would be Charcoal and the other an Anery or maybe Anery Charcoal, might be a really bright Charcoal masque as well, but I'm not sure if it brightens the eyes as well?

 

[Shiari]

Masque does not brighten the eyes. As for the first one being an anery-charcoal, I seriously doubt it. There is nothing about that snake that even hints at charcoal being there. It's crazy contrasty.

 

[KvanAalten]

Ahh okay didnt know about the eyes for sure but then I would say something anery ^^

 

[chris68]

Sorry Nanci, not an expert opinion, just mine...I just haven't worked with charcoals...but anery A's tho lol...

The male is a phantom, so he can't also be het charcoal as well...He's already a Charcoal (anery B) as well as a Hypo, and looks like he's het anery A. Mom looks like an anery A, and no real big surprise she looks to be het charcoal. Masque is from the diffusion (? Megan correct me if I'm wrong). In theory if all my opinion is correct you "should" (could) have gotten some anery charcoals, but as far as I've seen there haven't been enough of them (babies or adults) proven out to make a really good hard call on being able to pick them out of a lineup. I "could" have gotten them, as well as charcoal snows from a pair of anery het charcoal amel hypo stripes I bred last year from my friend Dave. Darned if could tell if I did; fwiw every one of the anery's eyes were silvery-gray, hard to see in the pic :shrugs:

Also didn't get any ghosts or stripes, so there is always the Murphy factor at play...

 

[Tsuhei]

Thank you everyone so far for the responses!

Dad is definitely a Phantom het diffused and anery - we purchased him as a proven male a few years ago from Donovan Winterberg.

If mom was Charcoal het Anery, then I don't think we'd get any plain anery babies like we did in this clutch, right?.. From Corncalc, it says the odds would be 3/4 chance Charcoals, and 1/4 chance Anery Charcoals.

However, if mother is Anery het Charcoal, the odds would be 1/4 chance Charcoals, 1/4 chance Normals, 1/4 chance Anery, and 1/4 chance Anery Charcoals...and we did get 5 very cute normal babies this year!!

Would there be any way to tell which babies would possibly be an Anery Charcoal based on their appearance? I don't think that we hit the Anery Charcoal in this clutch based on the patterns in pictures on the Ian's Vivarium webpage... but it's confusing since the photos there have both Anery A and Anery B eyes. :shrugs:

chris68 - the contrast in that clutch is AMAZING!

 

[Tsuhei]

...Going back on my comment on possibly not hitting the odds of the Anery Charcoal. I read elsewhere that Anery Charcoals can also be exceptionally darker than a regular Charcoal. DA003 and DA007 are the two darkest ones of the clutch, both expressing Anery B eyes. Thoughts?

DA0003

DA007

 

[Shiari]

*shrugs* The for-certain anery-charcoals I hatched out weren't any darker than my 'just' charcoals.

 

[Tsuhei]

*shrugs* The for-certain anery-charcoals I hatched out weren't any darker than my 'just' charcoals.

Ah. Good to know, thank you. The (Anery Charcoal?) baby you posted a picture of is beautiful, by the way - thank you for providing an example! I'm not very good at differentiating grey corns from other grey corns :laugh:

 

[Shiari]

The parents of the baby I posted were aneries het charcoal, which is why I *know* it is an anery-charcoal. I hatched out some last year as well.

Anery-charcoal with a plain anery sibling:

 

[chris68]

Megan did the AB's have the blueish eyebrows? Looks like the eyes were a great indicator in your clutch.

 

[Shiari]

Yup. they all had the eybrows.