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Black motley

Amels. are classically albino by definition and took the nickname red albino because people started calling aneries black albinos...or at least, that's what I read some years back. It's just nicknames.
 
it's funny too about the red snakes being called albino. How many people do you bring into your herp room think the snows are the albino's??? I have to explain every time lol..
 
MedusaCorns said:
it's funny too about the red snakes being called albino. How many people do you bring into your herp room think the snows are the albino's??? I have to explain every time lol..
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I hate to admit it, but before I was ever into snakes, I always thought all of the white snakes were albinos! :laugh:
 
According to Websters, an albino is ": an organism exhibiting deficient pigmentation"

Do with that what you will.
 
admitchell08 said:
I hate to admit it, but before I was ever into snakes, I always thought all of the white snakes were albinos! :laugh:
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Let's face it folks, it takes a real snake geek to know the difference... or care. :sidestep:

lol.
I'm sure it's easier for shops to use terms that the average customer will understand.
 
I don't want to get into genetic terms.. I'll rant and rage on and on.. but it is odd to me that a red animal out of all the species I've worked with is considered albino. to me anything with red is "e" <~ red factor whereas albino has always been "cceepp" - dogs, cats, rodents, equine, yadda ya.. or is it just reptiles that it's different?

I know we are talking reptile gene codes but it seams no one really uses the letter form and instead shouts out colors rather then the genetic terms. Maybe I'll get the guts to post my two cents about what I feel about the corn letter names and colors one day. No sure if the colors genetic terms are written in stone like other species or whomever made up the corn genetic bible codes had a guess at it? Especially with all these new color morphs rising up.. I know there are websites that list the color names and then the genetic letters.. I've seen them... I'm sure everyone would think I'm speaking alien too if I get the guts to ramble LOL....no one wants me to ramble about genetics.... That is a good question though... how come in corn snakes, when we yell color first and we don't put a letter code to the individual snake and if it carries any hets we don't list them too as a recessive? Or is it just easier to say ..oh let me see???.... Anery het hypo and amel rather then the color letters it should go by?

It's not that hard once you get a rhythm for it and to me it's easier and shorter then listing a whole mess of color things...makes your brain work too ;) I know, our brains work all day but why not make it work for something we enjoy?
I mean why not write up a Hypo Lavender Motley = "mmmm·hhhh·llll" ...... if it carries amel & blood why not "mmmm·hhhh·llll + aaaa DDDD"

whatever and so forth...
 
Agent Psychocat said:
Hmm, okay so not by definition...I was always taught that an albino was one lacking melanin. Forgive my ignorance.
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Albinism (from Latin albus, "white" is a form of hypomelanism, also known as or total (amelanism or amelanosis) lack of melanin pigment in the eyes, skin and hair, or more rarely in the eyes alone. Any recessive is a form of hypo no matter what species anyway.
 
MedusaCorns said:
I mean why not write up a Hypo Lavender Motley = "mmmm·hhhh·llll" ...... if it carries amel & blood why not "mmmm·hhhh·llll + aaaa DDDD"
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Don't you mean A/a D/d h/h l/l m/m - since they're gene *pairs* rather than gene *quads* ?

But if I hand someone a list of alphabet soup I don't expect them to know what it is... I'd rather say "It's a hypo lavender motley het amel and diffuse"

Just as mouse fanciers don't tend to say they have a:

A^t/a B/* p/p D/* C/*

Much easier just to say "I have a dove tan".
 
MedusaCorns said:
I don't want to get into genetic terms.. I'll rant and rage on and on.. but it is odd to me that a red animal out of all the species I've worked with is considered albino. to me anything with red is "e" <~ red factor whereas albino has always been "cceepp" - dogs, cats, rodents, equine, yadda ya.. or is it just reptiles that it's different?
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The difference is that mammals only have melanin - an amelanistic snake is the equivalent of an albino mammal (deficient melanin). The difference is that snakes have other pigments apart from melanin that still provide colour after the melanin is all gone.
 
MedusaCorns said:
to me anything with red is "e" <~ red factor whereas albino has always been "cceepp" - dogs, cats, rodents, equine, yadda ya.. or is it just reptiles that it's different?
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A "red" mammal is still producing melanin - specifically, phaeomelanin.

A "red" snake that has no black or brown pigment is NOT producing phaeomelanin or melanin - it's producing erythrin, a totally different pigment.

And wouldn't a c/c e/e p/p mouse actually be (very roughly) an Argente Gold that's masked by the albino gene c/c? You only need c/c to create a red-eyed white mouse :)

On the other hand, you need a/a e/e, a/a c/c or a/a l/l (Amel-Anery, Amel-Charcoal or Amel-Lavender) to create a red-eyed white snake, because you've got to subtract the erythrin as well as the melanin - and darn those tricky carotene-based pigments that sneak in there and make 'em yellower...
 
toyah said:
The difference is that mammals only have melanin - an amelanistic snake is the equivalent of an albino mammal (deficient melanin). The difference is that snakes have other pigments apart from melanin that still provide colour after the melanin is all gone.
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Thank you! I abhor the term albino, which comes from the Latin albus, when referring to corn snake pigmentation. It works for humans because we only have one pigment, melanin. So if we lack it we are essentially white to one degree or other. Amelanistic (without melanin) is a much better word to describe what is actually going on in a creature that can not make black pigment. Corns have multiple pigments so when you ask what color is an albino corn the usual response in "white", which we all know is wrong. An corn that can make sufficient melanin still does a good job with reds and yellows. Same goes for an anerytheristic. It doesn't do reds well but blacks and yellows are produced. Neither animal is white/albino. So why called it that? Probably just to annoy people like me. I know, get a life!!!:D
Terri
 
Ssthisto said:
Don't you mean A/a D/d h/h l/l m/m - since they're gene *pairs* rather than gene *quads* ?

But if I hand someone a list of alphabet soup I don't expect them to know what it is... I'd rather say "It's a hypo lavender motley het amel and diffuse"

Just as mouse fanciers don't tend to say they have a:

A^t/a B/* p/p D/* C/*

Much easier just to say "I have a dove tan".
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Very much so but I figured I'd probably get bashed for bringing up mouse terms as they are reptiles ;)
 
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