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Breeding Season 2015

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MissMaddieMoo

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My friend's parent's house was getting foreclosed and she was talking about a pair of cornsnakes that her sister had owned for over a year and told me that she had been looking for people to take them for forever and she would be forced to leave the snakes in the house when they moved out because their new place didn't allow them. So obviously as any snake lover would do, I offered to take them in. They had been cohabbing in a 35g long aquarium for their whole lives and I didn't have the money to go out and buy them separate tanks right away. I caught them in tail lock the first night I got them. Three nights ago, my female laid three slugs, and she laid four more today. They are now in separate enclosures.
I am interested in breeding them for 2015. But the problem is that I don't exactly know the ages of the snakes.
The boy is about 2.5ft and much less thick than the female. He is a wonderful eater, and when my female was about to lay her eggs and refused her fuzzie, I offered it up to him because it was already defrosted and he took it happily after already eating his own fuzzie. He's right on the line of being a bit too small for fuzzies but he is pretty big to eat pinkies and he hasn't had any difficulties getting the fuzzies down, it just takes him a bit longer. He is an amel motley.
My female is quite the beast. She is nearly four feet long and is super thick and active. She is my favorite snake because she'll curl around my arm and stay like that to go on walks. She gulps down fuzzies like they are nothing! She is probably about ready for the next size up, but I'm still going to wait until her next shed and her next meal to make sure she's eating well after laying her clutch. Although I'm not sure of the ages of my snakes and their clutch was a complete accident, the eggs were no where near as thick as her, and even up to the day that she laid them, you would never be able to tell she was pregnant by looking at her. She passed all of the eggs smoothly with no complications and was not aggressive when I took the eggs from her to candle them.
Although I'm assuming that they are the same age, and the girl before me had them for a year and a half, is it possible for a two year old corn snake to be nearly four feet long?! She just seems rather big to me for her age, knowing that she still probably has some growing to do. She is a classic het charcoal.

I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea of what morphs an amel motley and a classic het charcoal could produce, just out of curiosity.
Also, does it seem safe to start breeding them for the 2015 season?
Please let me know your opinions!
Thanks so much for all of your help. :)
 
Unless there are hidden hets that pairing will produce normals het amel, motley, 50% possibly het charcoal.
 
Here's a fun tool for answering those types of questions. :)

http://www.corncalc.com/

I have a female with a LOT of interesting hets and I like to use corncalc to fantasize about finding the perfect male for her.
 
ceduke said:
Here's a fun tool for answering those types of questions. :)

http://www.corncalc.com/

I have a female with a LOT of interesting hets and I like to use corncalc to fantasize about finding the perfect male for her.
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I wish I knew exactly what she was! I'm just going by what people tell me!
Ugh! Curiosity killed the snake owner!

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Any guesses??
 
If your female is eating fuzzies, and is this female pictured here she may be mature enough to lay slugs, but she is not big enough to breed.
If she's eating fuzzies and looks like the above picture in this thread, I would say she probably won't be up to size for breeding until 2016, without power feeding, which is not recommended.

The general rule for breeding females, is 3ft, 3yrs, and 300 grams.
A female eating a fuzzie, possibly a weanling, is not anywhere near 300 grams.

Your female pictured is a normal/classic. Without knowing her background, the only way to tell hets is breeding with another snake with hets.
 
MysticExotics said:
If your female is eating fuzzies, and is this female pictured here she may be mature enough to lay slugs, but she is not big enough to breed.
If she's eating fuzzies and looks like the above picture in this thread, I would say she probably won't be up to size for breeding until 2016, without power feeding, which is not recommended.

The general rule for breeding females, is 3ft, 3yrs, and 300 grams.
A female eating a fuzzie, possibly a weanling, is not anywhere near 300 grams.

Your female pictured is a normal/classic. Without knowing her background, the only way to tell hets is breeding with another snake with hets.
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Agreed, she is not ready to be bred.
 
I meant to add, that if the male is barely big enough to eat fuzzies, he's likely not sexually mature enough to successfully breed, which is likely why you got slugs, even though they have been cohabbed the whole time.
(Which is dangerous with their size difference, and he's that little, he could become a meal to her.)

Corns can move up to adult mice about 170grams, and even then they have 130 grams at least to go before being at a good weight to breed.
Your female might almost be ready to move up to weanlings, so she has a ways to go before she's ready.

My recommendation: take the next year or two to research care and breeding, and then when you have time under your belt, in a couple years, when they are ready, then try your hand at breeding.

I know it's exciting to want to breed, but you have to take all factors into account.
Do you have the room to house all of the babies if you cannot sell them? Do you ahve the ability to feed all of them?
In all reality, you would likely get all normal babies, being het for Amel (if that is what you have), and not many people are looking for that.
You will see a lot of fancy morphs out there, and most people are looking for something in particular, not normals, even with common hets like Amel.

If you're serious about breeding, I certainly won't discourage you, we all start somewhere, but my advice is do not jump into it without having knowledge under your belt, and have a plan.
Figure out what your end goal is, what morphs you want to produce, and then invest in animals that will produce that.
Be prepared to house all of the babies. Have the proper size/amount of rodents necessary for the babies to eat. Have more housing for those that do not sell, as they grow bigger.
Start networking to create future customers.
Read all of the articles you can find on care and breeding, including what problems can arise in breeding (like being egg bound), and know what to do in the event that something unplanned happens.

In time, you will understand why we tell you these things, and in time, you will be giving advise to new people.
 
Thanks so much for all of the wonderful advice. I will be purchasing a scale to weigh her because now I am very curious as how much she weighs.
I'm also buying an adult reverse okatee in the next couple of days and I've got quite awhile to think about what I'd like to breed!
 
I think your definition of fuzzies might be off because she looks huge for fuzzies! Or maybe wherever you're buying them from has them incorrectly labeled.
 
You can also take a picture of her next to a ruler and use serpwidgets.com to get a pretty accurate measurement of her.
 
hypnoctopus said:
I think your definition of fuzzies might be off because she looks huge for fuzzies! Or maybe wherever you're buying them from has them incorrectly labeled.
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Looking at the picture of the link I added in my first post, the rodent does look like a fuzzy. Might be a pretty big fuzzy, but it does look like a fuzzy.
 
Wow, I didn't even notice that was a link, despite you bolding it!

It does look like a fuzzy in that picture, but it looks small for her there too. But I also see a bulge in the picture in this thread. So now I don't know!
 
She looks pretty bulgey in both pictures in this thread, actually. Were these pictures taken before or after she laid her eggs?
 
hypnoctopus said:
Wow, I didn't even notice that was a link, despite you bolding it!

It does look like a fuzzy in that picture, but it looks small for her there too. But I also see a bulge in the picture in this thread. So now I don't know!
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I was looking for other posts, to try and help with the morph, when I came across that.

Another thing to think about, is if she's not been fed anything bigger than fuzzies up to this point, I would think she likely has not had the proper nutrition (due to fuzzies not being fully developed), she needs at least a year or more of getting proper nutrition in order to be able to produce calcified eggs, that are going to be healthy enough to last through incubation.

Yes, a scale will help a lot.

If a fuzzy or even a weanling is leaving that bump in the above picture, she's definitely way too small to consider breeding anytime soon.
 
I agree, that even if she is technically large enough to produce eggs, she should be healthy, as well, before being bred.
 
MysticExotics said:
I was looking for other posts, to try and help with the morph, when I came across that.

Another thing to think about, is if she's not been fed anything bigger than fuzzies up to this point, I would think she likely has not had the proper nutrition (due to fuzzies not being fully developed), she needs at least a year or more of getting proper nutrition in order to be able to produce calcified eggs, that are going to be healthy enough to last through incubation.

Yes, a scale will help a lot.

If a fuzzy or even a weanling is leaving that bump in the above picture, she's definitely way too small to consider breeding anytime soon.
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I definitely agree that she is too big for fuzzies. I will start feeding her larger pray once she has had her post egg-laying shed
 
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