Butterscotch and?

[steprice]

i found out the other day that my snakes father was a butterscotch, so im wondering what the mother would be? just a regular Amel? and what would i call my snake? Sorry about poor picture quality.

 

[dionythicus]

Do you mean the father was a butter? There is no morph currently known as a "butterscotch", but there is a caramel. It looks like yours is a nice amel, that would carry the genes for butter.

 

[Roy Munson]

i found out the other day that my snakes father was a butterscotch, so im wondering what the mother would be? just a regular Amel? and what would i call my snake? Sorry about poor picture quality.

I think the mom could be a regular amel, or she could have been some variety of creamsicle like the father, with who-knows-what proportion of corn to emoryi.

 

[steprice]

well, i was told butterscotch, im in uk, maybe breeders use different names over here? i wouldnt know, im a total n00b when it comes to morphs etc.

 

[Roy Munson]

Do you mean the father was a butter? There is no morph currently known as a "butterscotch", but there is a caramel. It looks like yours is a nice amel, that would carry the genes for butter.

There is no PURE corn morph known as butterscotch, but there is this (from vmsherp.com):

Red Creamsicle
aka Butterscotch. A hybrid between an amelanistic example of the cornsnake and the Emory's' Ratsnake. Generally reddish orange blotches on a creamy orange background when bred as a 75/25 mix of the two. see also Creamsicle

 

[SnakeAround]

From Menhirs site kornatterlexikon.de; (saves him some time from posting this )

Eine Bezeichnung, für eine von Don Soderberg durch Auswahlzucht "entwickelte" caramelfarbene KORNNATTER. Von anderen Züchtern wird dieser Name allerdings manchmal auch für eine hell gefärbte EMORYI oder EMORYI X NOMINAT Kreuzungen verwendet.

Translation; a name for a caramel corn selectively bred by Don Soderberg (see pic) or a name used frequently for a brightly colored emoryi or emoryi x classic corn

 

[dionythicus]

I think VMS must be the only one using that name, I haven't seen it used before.

 

[Roy Munson]

I think VMS must be the only one using that name, I haven't seen it used before.

If I've seen it before, it was only once or twice, and I forgot about it. But Google knows all.

 

[Menhir]

Translation; a name for a caramel corn selectively bred by Don Soderberg (see pic) or a name used frequently for a brightly colored emoryi or emoryi x classic corn

That translation is a little wrong - and makes it sound extremely different.
It's not a name for a caramel corn selectivly bred - it's "a selectivly bred, caramel colored corn".
Just to make clear, that it has nothing to do with the Caramel gene itself.

Another add, frequently used isn't also the term you should use - it reads:
"Other breders use this name for brightly color Emoryis or EmoryixCorn crossings."
Frequently makes it sound like it is a usual term - I personally think that it's just some kind of european marketing calling them "Butterscotch".

 

[CornCrazy]

Don used to have a "morph" called butterscotch which was a pure corn, I believe. I looked on his site and it is no longer there. You should find out from the breeder which type of butterscotch your snake's father was. Regardless, the mother had to be either an amel or het for amel. The father was also het amel. The important thing for you to do is find out if your little one is a pure corn or a hybrid/intergrade.

Your snake is an amel if it is a pure corn. It is a creamsicle if it has emoryi blood in it.

 

[SnakeAround]

You're right Menhir, wasn't too bright yesterday late at night :bang:

 

[tat2d1]

southwest wisconsin reptiles has butterscotch's listed on their price list. it describes them as : the emoryi caramel looks just like a amber corn.

http://www.swreptile.com/cornprice.html

i've seen them advertised on the ks ads a few times too.

 

[NI GUY]

well, i was told butterscotch, im in uk, maybe breeders use different names over here? i wouldnt know, im a total n00b when it comes to morphs etc.

Im in the uk too mate and i've never heard of a butterscotch.It must be a butter.

 

[Edmund]

I've spoken with Don before about his butterscotch line, and he said they were pure corns, but too hard to tell apart from regular caramels as babies, so he quit offering them.

 

[Lexcorn]

No reason to assume that the father was a Butter when, indeed, he was termed a Butterscotch.

I agree that U.K. residents, often, utilize a variety of names to describe a cultivar............as do U.S.A. or European individuals, & on occasion the same combination of genetics are known by numerous 'catch phrases'.

However, Butterscotch may simply be marketing, in this instance, as there is no recognised cultivar by that name.

Is it possible that the sire of your Amelanistic hatchling has Emoryi inheritance & that is why the seller described the father as Butterscotch?

You will only be able to isolate the lineage once the breeder/shop owner proffers further details.

 

[Menhir]

as there is no recognised cultivar by that name.

I think that there is a known cultivar by that name in form of line bred corns by Don Soderberg. Or did I misunderstood your sentence?

 

[Lexcorn]

Im in the uk too mate and i've never heard of a butterscotch.It must be a butter.

Menhir,

My response was for the benefit of the above quotation.

 

[Menhir]

OK, I see - I didn't get that.

 

[mbdorfer]

I have seen the term "butterscotch" used to describe caramel x emoryi, more than once. Kind of like "cinnamon" for hypo x emoryi, not widely accepted as yet. :wavey: