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champagne breeding

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BIGDADDYSCORNSNAKES

BIGDADDYSCORNSNAKES
Could you nice people give me a little help i have a champagne and really dont know that much about her ? Is she a supper snow or a line bread amel? Ihave been reading up on them but still dont know what i really have ?
AND my second delimia is what to breed to her this year ? my males are listed here thank you for any and all help .a phantom , 2nd a ultramel het blood red ,het anery, 3rd is a caramel het amber het butter , 4 th a snow stripe 5th normal stripe het amel 6th is a motley het amel,het anery and 7th is a charcoal het blood het amel . 8th sun glow and 9th a candy cane. thanks
bigdaddyscornsnakes
JOE
 
Champagne is a gene, not a line bred look. You could breed a champagne male to two unrelated wild caught corns, hold back the babies, breed unrelated F1s together, and get Champagnes back.
Champagne contains amel, anery a, "the champagne color gene", and stripe. I am not sure if it is regular stripe or the stripe that comes from motley.
A Champagne is striped.
A Champagne Snow is a normal patterned snake of champagne lineage which develops pink ground color.
Some Champagnes hatch entirely patternless, but have colors running the length of the body.
The original first Champagne is photographed at the bottom of this page:
http://www.pascopaul.com/Cornsnakes/cornsnakes.html . She is patternless.

As for what to breed her to, that is entirely up to you. You will not get any Champagnes out of her unless one of your males is het Champage. However, you may see some pink developing on the babies starting around 6 months of age. Sometimes sooner depending on the other het/homo genes floating around in there. Or maybe see no pink at all in the F1. Champagnes sometimes take awhile to color up.

I have a sunglow stripe which fell out of my champagne project. I also have a peachy snow from the lineage.

If you do not have one, I suggest getting a cornsnake morph guide, it helps a lot with figuring out genetics. http://cornguide.com/

hope this helps. dp
 
DAVE thanks for your help so if i was to breed something with stripe anery a , or amel i could get babies with the morph i chose say any anery a, right thanks joe
 
chris68 said:
Dave, is "champagne" thought to be some form of "red factor"?
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Chris,
I do not think of it as a red factor, because it is pink. But when I bred Champagne snow to an anery homoz anery a And anery B, (but not striped),
I got everything from anery a's which are varying shades of black & gray, to snakes like this one. Though it took several months for the color to come in. So I am suspecting that anery b is acting as a modifier in the F1.

BIGDADDYSCORNSNAKES said:
DAVE thanks for your help so if i was to breed something with stripe anery a , or amel i could get babies with the morph i chose say any anery a, right thanks joe
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Joe, Yes you are correct. I do not know if you are hoping to produce snakes to part with or produce baby snakes to hold on to, raise up, and breed back together. If the sire is homoz for additional genes, then the F2s will have even greater variation. Is your goal to produce more Champagnes, or to produce something altogether new a couple generations down the road? If you are breeding to produce future breeders, then perhaps it is best to think about the possibilities. Break out the big box of Crayolas and mix up colors with pink on paper.
 
looking to raise a few and get rid of the others i thought about breeding her to my ultramelhet blood and het anery and maybe keep a male and breed it to my sunkissed later on just a thought
 
If you are looking, I have a nice Bubblegum male for sale. Last year I bred his sister to a champagne and got really pink babies. I'll attach a pic of the male for sale and one of his Champagne X Bubblegum nephews. :)

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Here we go again with all the various names of pink snows...bubblegum, neon, salmon, champagne, etc. The champagne is simply a pink striped snow. What causes the pink has yet to be determined. It could be strawberry, red coat or red factor/red mask or any combination of those or even something else. To give it it's own specific gene name at this stage is jumping the gun, IMO.
 
That was also my understanding, that a Champagne is essentially a type of Snow. Hence why I'm a little baffled by discussions going on in this thread, haha.
 
carol said:
If you are looking, I have a nice Bubblegum male for sale. Last year I bred his sister to a champagne and got really pink babies. I'll attach a pic of the male for sale and one of his Champagne X Bubblegum nephews. :)

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carol, is that male bubblegum still for sale? or any other bubblegums or neons?
 
I hear you Susan. I have a 'Bubblegum' Snow I believe and it was super confusing at first trying to figure out the genetics. This is when I wasn't sure of all the genes and I knew she was a snow, but thought there was another known and proven gene involved to make her a bubblegum. I just consider them all snows with selective breeding, I only call her a Bubblegum when it sounds fun.

"That's my Snow corn. Why is she so pink and green? Because she's pinkish green snow corn."
 
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