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Color Morph Question

WiccanPrincesa

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I currently have 5 corns. Three males and two females. I was curious on everyone's opinions on what color morphs these are. I have an idea, but I'm interested on what everyone thinks so I can compare it to my thoughts. Please let me know what you think.

Sakura.jpg

This is one of my males, Sakura. I believe he might be a strawberry snow.

Sierra.jpg

This is another one of my males, Sierra. I believe that he might be a sunglow.

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This is my youngest male, Scorpio. I was told by the breeder I bought him from that he is a Caramel het Amber.

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This is my oldest female, Starla. I was told from the breeder I bought her from that she is a Hypomelanistic het Caramel.

Sadie.jpg

This is my youngest female, as well as my youngest corn. Her name is Sadie. I was told when I purchased her that she was an Amber.

What do you guys think as far as the color morphs?
 
It's hard to tell with the sunglow, but I think I can see some significant white borders on the latter part of the body, which would disqualify him and make him instead "merely" a very very lovely amel. >_> *attempts to steal through the computer*
 
The amber one (last pic) seems rather dark to me to be an amber :shrugs:, but I'm not very familiar with caramels and ambers and the like...so someone else will have to verify what it is.
 
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First one is a snow. I wouldn't call it a "strawberry" snow as "strawberry" hasn't been determined yet (as far as I know) to be a genetic trait. It is a nice pink snow that may have a type of hypo involved, but only breeding trials will tell for sure.

Second one is an amel. It has too much white to be classified as a sunglow.

The third one may be a caramel, but I would like to see other photos of it as something about it doesn't look right. For some reason, "Texas rat snake" comes to mind when I look at it.

Fourth one could very well be a hypo, but sometimes, normals can look like hypos and hypos can look like normals. A good photo of the belly checks may help. If they are more bronze than black, I would definitely say hypo.

The last one looks too dark and red in the saddles to scream "amber" to me. Again, for some reason, the color is saying another rat snake other than corn to me. It reminds me of bekers71's "beastie" hatchlings that are corn X black rat hybrids.

These are all just my opinions, but you asked.
 
:-offtopic
Sorry but what substate are you using?? Carpet and ??loks to be the stuff in fish tanks. :awcrap:
 
At the time I was using reptile carpet that I bought in a pet store. After realizing how messy it was, I began using newspaper. That seems to be working much better. At the time that the picture was taken, Sadie was in a separate enclosure having her normal enclosure cleaned. She had a little bit of a reptile sand in the holding enclosure since she was kinda pooping all over. ^.^ yuck! But she too has newspaper in her enclosure.

As far as opinions on the color morphs, thank you everyone who has been responding.

Sakura is definately a snow, although I still think a strawberry (it's a selectively bred snow with enhanced pink coloring). Probably comes from hypo in him, which I wouldn't doubt. He also has very VERY bright yellow on his underside. I'll bred him maybe this season again, to see for sure.

Sierra I could see as an amel, although he is much brighter then any amel I've ever seen. I know sunglow can have a little bit of white, but too much makes them an amel. The pictures I took don't show their coloring very well. I need to get newer, better pictures. He really doesn't have as much white as it appears. As he's aged, the white has pretty much vanished with very very thin little lines just near the back end of his body. So he may still be a sunglow, or maybe an amel that's het hypo?

Scorpio definately has caramel in him. There's no doubt about that. He's supposed to be het amber, but I guess only breeding will tell. He, too, does have extreme yellows on his underside. It's difficult to tell if it's amber coming through or hypo though without breeding.

Starla confuses me a little. I was told Hypo het caramel. The pictures, again, don't show her coloring that well. She is actually very brightly colored, not like a typical carolina corn. She too has some extreme yellowing. And when I say extreme, I mean neon yellow.

Sadie, however, I think the breeder lied about just to get me to purchase her. Although she is a beautiful corn, I think she's really a caramel. She is still very very young. She's only a few months old, so it's kinda hard to tell at this age. However, I don't really see Amber in her, as I was told. Sakura and Sierra I got from pet stores (which I will never purchase another corn from a pet store again - ridiculous prices and most aren't healthy). Starla and Scorpio came from the same breeder, which I have talked to for quite some time, and from what I gathered talking to her, I'm sure she knew what she was talking about. Sadie, however, I got from a breeder at a reptile swap, whom I don't think she really knew a lot about color morphs with corns. She had a huge table full of corns she was selling, and many were labeled incorrectly. She had a snow labeled as a bloodred. Talk about someone who shouldn't be breeding or selling corns. You know? So I guess with Sadie, I'm going to have to wait to see what the outcome is in her coloring. I know with neonates, their colors can change drastically as they age. Luckily I only paid $10 for Sadie. =) She's still a cutie though.
 
Do rat snakes still have checked bellies? Because all of my guys have checked bellies. So I'm just curious. I think that they're all corn snakes, as to that was what I was told. However, Sadie could maybe be part rat snake if they are able to have checked bellies. I don't think that the lady I got her from could tell the difference between a corn and a rat snake if she couldn't tell the difference between a bloodred and a snow. Corns and rats are from the same family, so it is possible for them to successfully breed. So anything is possible.
 
1. Snow POSSIBLY bubblegum or some other variation of snow
2. Amel or RO, hard to tell from pic
3. Absolutely, 100% sure its a normal
4. Looks normal to me, at least from the pic. Looks like my male Normal.
5. No Idea

Oh, and I have never heard of a "strawberry snow", though there are many variations that are usually the same thing, but vary a small bit in coloration, so hence, they are re-named some new variation.
 
Yeah I would say
1. Bubblegum Snow as it looks like my friends and they have alot of pink on them
2. I would say a really nice amel
3. I would say a anery
4. looks like it is a young amber
I don't know to much about corn snakes but you may want to ask the other people but that is my guests!!
 
Do rat snakes still have checked bellies? Because all of my guys have checked bellies. So I'm just curious. I think that they're all corn snakes, as to that was what I was told. However, Sadie could maybe be part rat snake if they are able to have checked bellies. I don't think that the lady I got her from could tell the difference between a corn and a rat snake if she couldn't tell the difference between a bloodred and a snow. Corns and rats are from the same family, so it is possible for them to successfully breed. So anything is possible.

Yes they have checkered bellies. I breed some hybrids as Susan stated above and I am almost certain that last one is a mix of some thing other than corn. It is true that corns are rat snakes too and they can be bred to other species of rat snakes. BUT..they should not be sold or marked as "cornsnakes". They are hybrids and should be labeled as such.

They are all lovely snakes! :)
 
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