Creamsicle breeding

[Richard Holyoak]

I was thinking of getting a Creamsicle male and female. Being they are hybrids do you get Creamsicles when you breed or do you get some normal and such?
Is Frosted Creamsicle different from Creamsicle?
Can you breed to other morphs, What do you get?

Thanks
Richard :shrugs:

 

[Edmund]

If you breed a creamsicle to a creamsicle, you'll get all creamsicles.

A frosted cream is different than a cream in that it's appearance has the frosting effect, and they are also thought to originate from a gray rat crossing, whereas most creams originate from great plains rat crossings. (Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.)

You can breed to other morphs. Everything you produce will be considered a hybrid, and what you get is dependent on what you breed to.

Hope this helps.

 

[Richard Holyoak]

Helps a bunch. I am waiting for Kathy Loves Book and the Morph Guide. Will save a bunch of question I am sure.

Richard :crazy02:

 

[ultimatecorns]

If you have two creamsicles you will get all creamsicles (which are 50% corn and 50% emoryi). If you breed an amel corn to a normal emoryi, you must hold back their offspring, raise them, and breed them back together in to order to get creamsicle.

I will have a gazillion creamsicles, striped or motleys this year.
Here is a pic of one of last years creamsicles

of course as it grows the yellow background color increases greatly in size.

Here is a stripe creamsicle hatchling from before:

enjoy

 

[LukeH]

You do not have to have 2 creams to produce creams. A creamscicle is a hybrid/intergrade between a corn and emoryi(gpr). All offspring from cream X amel corn are creamscicles. The more generations they are bred to corns the more red they will get, and visa versa....the more emoryi in them the more yellow they are. Frosted creams have a percentage of greyrat in them.

LukeH

 

[mbdorfer]

Personally, I like to keep the emoryi "look" going in creams. When they are bred back to amel corns repeatedly, they're just amels with emoryi bloodlines,yet still must be called creamsicles.
Here's my 03 male who unfortunately was terrified of my female emoryi this year. Might be too small for her. Next season perhaps :cheers:

 

[cka]

Personally, I like to keep the emoryi "look" going in creams. When they are bred back to amel corns repeatedly, they're just amels with emoryi bloodlines,yet still must be called creamsicles.

Have to agree with that one, Mike...I think a good yellow/orangy creamsicle is a pretty "distinguished" look, in as far as you can look at them and say "thats a creamsicle"...The "red creams" people sell every year look like run of the mill amels, but they are technically creams, with the varying amounts of Emory in them.

 

[Jynx]

Luke is correct. Once emoryi blood is introduced, whether its bred back to another pur corn or pure emoryi or to another creamsicle, the offspring are still considered creamsicle (well as long as the amel mutation is in there). If there is no genetic mutation, then it is just a root beer I believe. A speciman can have varying degrees of corn vs emoryi blood in it. It does not need to be 50-50

 

[vanderkm]

Frosted variation in creamsicles is typically attributed to grey ratsnake crosses at some point in the ancestry.

Creamsicle to creamsicle produces creamsicles because it is basically the amel version of corns that have some percentage of emoryi blood, but as said already - they can vary a lot in appearance - from orange on creamy background, to orange on orange, to the red ones that look a lot like amel corns - depending on how much pure corn is in the mix.

Creamsicles bred to normal corns (or normal emoryi) produce the non-amel version - typically called a 'rootbeer' because of the distinctive color (more orange undertone than a normal corn).

Creamsicles have been bred to other corn morphs and the offspring show varying coloration - snowcreams look like snowcorns. When creamsicle lines have hypo A introduced and are bred to get the hypo A in a homozygous state in corn/emoryi - the rootbeer look is softer and brighter and these have been marketed as 'cinnamon'. As illustrated above - pattern morphs like striped have also been introduced from corns. Other recessive genes like caramel have also been added to the mix by some breeders.

Because of the concern from hobbiests that the creamsicle (corn/emoryi) snakes can be confused with pure corns, it is important to identify any of the variants that may look like pure corns, so that it is known that they are hybrids.

Some rootbeer babies before their first shed (these hatched at double the size of corns - a 10 day old amel is shown with them - and fed on fuzzies for their first meal - they have retained that size difference at 9 months of age)

rootbeer at 6 months

creamsicle het caramel

from this pair

mary v.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

mbdorfer

I like the looks of that cream.
To me anyway, it has that emoryi look.
I want to work towards more emoryi in my creams.
Even more then my creams I would like to put more emoryi into my cinnamons.
I will have to keep my eyes open for the right snakes to make this possible.

 

[Mary-Beth]

I've never heard of a rootbeer before. The 6 month old is lovely. Can someone post an adult picture please?

 

[mbdorfer]

I like the looks of that cream.
To me anyway, it has that emoryi look.
I want to work towards more emoryi in my creams.
Even more then my creams I would like to put more emoryi into my cinnamons.
I will have to keep my eyes open for the right snakes to make this possible.

Thanks Jimmy, that guy was produced by a local breeder here in the Tampa Bay area. When I saw him in the shop, I just had to get him. Bringing more emory "look" into your cinnamons would be totally awesome. Yours are already stunners, some of the nicest I've seen in fact. Here's a pic when he was just a hatchling :cheers: