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Dehydrated Mama. Need advice ASAP

hzahorka

hzahorka

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Hi all,
Ok, I posted yesterday about having a new batch of eggs. The mama (albino okeetee) finished laying yesterday afternoon. She has not left the nest and is VERY dehydrated. When I touch her she hisses and huffs at me. I was going to leave her alone but seeing her state makes me want to grab her and pull her out and place her in a warm dimly lit recovery area with water right in front of her. Should I do this? Is her hissing and huffing just for "show"?
 
I would move her to where she can get water very easily. if you are worried about getting bit, wear gloves or use a hook.
 
I agree with Paul. She needs to get some fluids in her. Are you afraid of getting tagged? or are you just being cautious with her?
 
Thanks guys,
I went ahead and moved her to a recovery area and she drank. I'll try to feed her a rat pink in an hour or so. Not afraid of gettin tagged, been there a few times already over the last couple of years. This is just my very first clutch of eggs so I was being cautious all the way around. When I moved her a couple of the eggs rolled cuz they were laying by her tail (cringe). There's a total of 20 "healthy" eggs and one slug, not very many where attached to each other. I placed them in the center of the moss and moistened the top moss "pad" w/ some warm water and put a dif. lid on the container since the humidity can't seem to get above 85*. Hopefully things will workout great.
 
You will want to be careful with the eggs that rolled. If an eggs gets turned upside down fromthe position that it was laid in, the hatchlings will most likely drown in the yolk fluid. I had this happen to me on my first clutch. Don't be overly concerned, just watch the eggs closely as you get closer to hatching day, and make sure that you watch the eggs that rolled for where the snakes are pipping from. If they are pipping from the bottom, you might want to turn the eggs so the slit is at the top.
 
Thanks Paul,
I was also told not to worry too much since it usually takes 2-4 days for the yolk to attach to the side of the egg. I am going to place them all in the bathroom upstairs hopefully tomorrow. I have an infrared heat lamp set up w/ a digital thermom. and the temps are staying between 81.9 and 85. Is this amount of temp change too drastic for the eggs on a daily basis or is this something that would happen out in the wild?
I've attached a pic of the eggs that I snapped this morning when I took a peek at them.
 

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the temps sound about right. Just make sure that the moss stays moist, but not wet. check them at least once a week for the moisture level. When it gets closer to hatch time, start checking them more often, and during the week of supposed hatching, start checking them daily, if not multiple times a day.
 
Thanks. I'll keep a watch on the bathroom temps for the next 24-36 hours to make sure they aren't going to get above 86*. Jewel (mama snake) looks great today, whew! LOL, knowing me I will check on the eggs 2-4 times a day every day. I do have to be in Denver for a few days the end of May but I'm sure they will be perfectly fine. I'll probably be able to get away with no heat lamp on starting mid May.
 
I would be careful about taking the heat lamp away. If you do, leave it in there till you make sure the temps are correct. You don't want to risk loosing any of your eggs because the temps get too cool.
 
That was my plan too. My trip isn't until May 19-22nd (coming back that night). That's still a month away and gives me plenty of time to debate on leaving or taking away the heat lamp.
 
good. Sounds like you have everything thought out now. Good luck, and can't wait to see pictures of the hatchlings. Should be around the end of June to the begining of July when your eggs start to hatch. At least at that temp.

What are the genetics of the parents?
 
LOL, I hope I do ;o) All these eggs are "bumpy" like dry wall after it's been textured and painted over but their size and color is good so far and they are leathery, not hard.
Mom is a albino okeetee and dad is a sunglow, last year they produced all albino okeetee's for their previous owner and she double clutched as well. If her weight gets back up over the next few weeks I want to breed her back to my ghost het snow and see what I get.
I also bred my "high white" albino okeetee (the one in my avatar pic) to a amel male...not sure if they are het to anything...yet. I soon hope to find out though.
 
You know that Albino Okeetees are the same as Reverse Okeetees, which are Line Bred Amels. So, if you breed the "High White" Albino Okeetee, you will get all Amels (unless there are hets) but they may show signs of the wide white borders of the Reverse okeetee.

Breeding an Amel to a Ghost, you could expect: Amel X Anery A and Hypo het Amel: Amel Het Ghost, and normals Het for Snow.
 
pcar said:
Breeding an Amel to a Ghost, you could expect: Amel X Anery A and Hypo het Amel: Amel Het Ghost, and normals Het for Snow.
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Ummm, not sure that's right???

Amel x Ghost = all normal babies that are tripple het for amel, anery and hypo...those three together make coral snow but other possible outcomes in the F2 are normal, amel, anery, hypo, snow and ghost as well...but the chances of the double and tripple homo's is low.
 
You missed the fact that the Ghost is het Amel. That is where you will get the Amel snakes from.

But you are right, the Normals will be het for Amel, Anery, and Hypo.
 
OK....Yes, I know that a reverse/albino okeetee are one in the same and that they are line bred Amel's and that my "high white" albino x amel will produce all amel unless there are hets that I don't know about yet (would be a neat surprise though). Either way I'll be pleased since both parents are beautiful and dad is an instense orange/red. I have attached a pic of "Charlie" my amel male. If I read you guys right here I will get: Hypo het Amel, Amel het Ghost, and normals Het for Snow by breeding my amel (albino okeetee) x Ghost het Snow....right or wrong?
 

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Female is : Amel
Male is : Anery A Hypo het. Amel
Offspring is predicted :
50% Normal het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Hypo (This is het for Coral Snow)
50% Amel, het. Anery A, het. Hypo (This is het Ghost)
 
LOL, how come snake genetics can't be as easy as dogs, cats, rats, etc??
The man I bought the ghost het snow from was using him in his coral snow project. This male's parents are: Snow het Hypo and Hypo het Anery. I am also wanting to breed this guy back to my 3 year old Snow Motley this year. He's willing and she isn't. I am begining to wonder if she isn't too fat. I bought her a couple weeks ago from a lady in NC. She is about 3ft long and is about 1-1/4" in diameter.
 
hzahorka said:
LOL, how come snake genetics can't be as easy as dogs, cats, rats, etc??
The man I bought the ghost het snow from was using him in his coral snow project. This male's parents are: Snow het Hypo and Hypo het Anery. I am also wanting to breed this guy back to my 3 year old Snow Motley this year. He's willing and she isn't. I am begining to wonder if she isn't too fat. I bought her a couple weeks ago from a lady in NC. She is about 3ft long and is about 1-1/4" in diameter.
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The snow Motley may not have been cooled sufficently for her to breed this year, or else she already was. If you put them together for any length of time, be sure to keep a close eye on them, as the male might force himself on her. I had my 2 snows together and my male had a hold of the female by the neck while he was trying to get her to coperate. They were fine when I put them together, and I walked away for 5 minutes and came back to that. So I seperated them for a day and put them back together and they went right to it.
 
I asked the lady I bought her from if she had been cooled and she said she had. If I remember right she told me for 8 weeks (mine only got 6 weeks this year). Supposedly she shed aprx. 1 week before she got here too. I have placed them together 3 dif. times with no luck. He chases her and tries to get her to lift her tail and then she moves away from him as fast as she can. He's never been "aggressive" towards her and gives up the chase after an hour and a half. Last I tried was Tuesday so I'll try them again tonight or tomorrow. All else fails we'll jsut wait another year.
 
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