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Deli Cups?
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Tim Madsen
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I think most people use the 12 oz. size. I believe Rich Z. keeps his in this size from the time they hatch until they're sold and then removes the little water cup and ships them in the same 12 oz. cup. If you'll only have a clutch or two it is probably just as easy to keep them in plastic shoe boxes. IMHO
If I remember correctly, these are 8 ounce deli cups.
I have found that newly hatched babies feed more readily in them and there just doesn't appear to be a more space efficient method of keeping a large number of baby corn snakes housed.
With the water dishes I designed and the liners I discovered, it makes maintaining a huge number of corn snakes a feasible project.
I found a rack system that will hold 640 deli cups in a 2ft x 2ft floor space in baskets that slide into a rack.
There are only a few problems I have found associated with keeping the baby corns in these deli cups.
(1) The company I get the cups from has unfortunately designed their equipment to drill the airholes in such a way that the sharp edges are on the inside of the cup. I am constantly feeling the inside of the cup to remove those sharp edges.
(2) About twice a year, I will find a baby snake that somehow flicked his tongue out one of the airholes, and the tongue stuck to the outside of the deli cup.
(3) This design has allowed me to keep more baby corn snakes at a time than any sane person should try to do.
I have found that newly hatched babies feed more readily in them and there just doesn't appear to be a more space efficient method of keeping a large number of baby corn snakes housed.
With the water dishes I designed and the liners I discovered, it makes maintaining a huge number of corn snakes a feasible project.
I found a rack system that will hold 640 deli cups in a 2ft x 2ft floor space in baskets that slide into a rack.
There are only a few problems I have found associated with keeping the baby corns in these deli cups.
(1) The company I get the cups from has unfortunately designed their equipment to drill the airholes in such a way that the sharp edges are on the inside of the cup. I am constantly feeling the inside of the cup to remove those sharp edges.
(2) About twice a year, I will find a baby snake that somehow flicked his tongue out one of the airholes, and the tongue stuck to the outside of the deli cup.
(3) This design has allowed me to keep more baby corn snakes at a time than any sane person should try to do.
Tim Madsen
New member
Your right Rich they are the 8 oz. size, must've had brain lock again. Where did you find those cool liners, I had assumed you cut them out yourself?
Tim - heck no! We used to do that, and it took forever to do. As usual with this sort of thing, desperation found the source for me. I stumbled on a source of coffee filters that is exactly the right size. It has a removable edge so I can keep a small lip at the bottom of the deli cup, or remove it and have it exactly flush.
The only drawback is that one ply is not nearly enough to do the job, so I use 3 or 4 plys and that works well. I have to order so many cases of them to get a price break that I decided to sell them ($25 per 1,000). I calculated that last year I used about a quarter of a million of them myself!
I also started manufacturing those water dishes to sell as well ($42.50 per 50). Those are PVC endcaps that I mill out the groove and mill off the slightly rounded bottom. But it fits flush with the lid and cannot be tipped over by the snake. Actually I don't expect to sell many of the water dishes, but at least I had the perfect excuse to buy that big milling machine I've always wanted.
Shoot! That reminds me! I have to make up a bunch of those water dishes to have at Expo this year. Something else on my list to do..............
The only drawback is that one ply is not nearly enough to do the job, so I use 3 or 4 plys and that works well. I have to order so many cases of them to get a price break that I decided to sell them ($25 per 1,000). I calculated that last year I used about a quarter of a million of them myself!
I also started manufacturing those water dishes to sell as well ($42.50 per 50). Those are PVC endcaps that I mill out the groove and mill off the slightly rounded bottom. But it fits flush with the lid and cannot be tipped over by the snake. Actually I don't expect to sell many of the water dishes, but at least I had the perfect excuse to buy that big milling machine I've always wanted.
Shoot! That reminds me! I have to make up a bunch of those water dishes to have at Expo this year. Something else on my list to do..............
DirtySanchez
Loyal Fan
where oh where
Rich - I was wondering if there is anyway that i can get 4 of those water dishes for my babies or how can i make them for myself, i might of missed it in an earlier post but if you could tell me i would be very grateful
Rich - I was wondering if there is anyway that i can get 4 of those water dishes for my babies or how can i make them for myself, i might of missed it in an earlier post but if you could tell me i would be very grateful
Sorry, but the minimum quantity I sell them via mail order is 50 (for $42.50 shipping included). It's just not worth my time to pack and ship smaller quantities of them. I do sell them singly at the shows we attend, however, since all I have to do is to hand them over the table to someone.
As for making them, you could start out like I did, using a drill press with a moving vise. I used a 1/2 roughing milling bit to cut the slot laterally across the top of the cut by placing the PVC endcap in the vise and moving it towards the cutting bit. The cut is not very smooth, however, but it made a better overall cut. I first tried to cut across the top, but I had a lot of problems with the endcap chipping.
<img src ="http://www.cornsnakes.com/pics/drillpress01.jpg">
Of course I could only do one at a time, and the thought of making enough of them to sell was out of the question.
I had so many people asking about them, that I felt I was justified to spending the money to buy my own milling machine to be able to make them somewhat quicker. A friend of mine made up a holding jig so I can cut 6 of them in one pass. The mill has a motorized table, so it just passes the caps under the ball end milling bit and it cuts the slots into each cap in succession. When I get time, I may make a longer jig so I can cut more of them per single pass.
<img src="http://www.cornsnakes.com/pics/mill04.jpg">
Once I have cut enough slots in the caps, I flip them over and using another bit, will flush off the bottom to make them perfectly flat. I didn't do this when I was using the drill press simply because there was no easy way to do it that way. I also debur the edges of the slot cut to remove the sharp edge that remains after the mill cut, and they are then good to go.
As you can easily see, you are paying all for labor for those water dishes. Each one requires two cut passes with the mill, and then each one has to be handled to take off the sharp edges. If I could have bought them for the price I am charging when I first needed them, I would have done it in a heartbeat.
Right now I am trying to get enough of them cut up to last me through the shows this season, where I expect I'll sell a fair number of them. Once the babies hatch out, there is no way I'm going to have time to cut up more of them. So when these run out, that's it until next Winter.
As for making them, you could start out like I did, using a drill press with a moving vise. I used a 1/2 roughing milling bit to cut the slot laterally across the top of the cut by placing the PVC endcap in the vise and moving it towards the cutting bit. The cut is not very smooth, however, but it made a better overall cut. I first tried to cut across the top, but I had a lot of problems with the endcap chipping.
<img src ="http://www.cornsnakes.com/pics/drillpress01.jpg">
Of course I could only do one at a time, and the thought of making enough of them to sell was out of the question.
I had so many people asking about them, that I felt I was justified to spending the money to buy my own milling machine to be able to make them somewhat quicker. A friend of mine made up a holding jig so I can cut 6 of them in one pass. The mill has a motorized table, so it just passes the caps under the ball end milling bit and it cuts the slots into each cap in succession. When I get time, I may make a longer jig so I can cut more of them per single pass.
<img src="http://www.cornsnakes.com/pics/mill04.jpg">
Once I have cut enough slots in the caps, I flip them over and using another bit, will flush off the bottom to make them perfectly flat. I didn't do this when I was using the drill press simply because there was no easy way to do it that way. I also debur the edges of the slot cut to remove the sharp edge that remains after the mill cut, and they are then good to go.
As you can easily see, you are paying all for labor for those water dishes. Each one requires two cut passes with the mill, and then each one has to be handled to take off the sharp edges. If I could have bought them for the price I am charging when I first needed them, I would have done it in a heartbeat.
Right now I am trying to get enough of them cut up to last me through the shows this season, where I expect I'll sell a fair number of them. Once the babies hatch out, there is no way I'm going to have time to cut up more of them. So when these run out, that's it until next Winter.
DirtySanchez
Loyal Fan
one more thing
do you go to the herp show in pittsburgh or do u know anyone that goes to that show and sells lil water dishes
do you go to the herp show in pittsburgh or do u know anyone that goes to that show and sells lil water dishes
Fatsie - I just measured the deli cup water dishes and here are the dimensions:
Height = 28.75mm (1.1425 inches)
Diameter = 33.20mm (1.3110 inches)
Depth of cut = 9.41mm (0.37 inches)
I don't see any reason why I couldn't ship them to Europe as long as you are willing to pay the additional shipping fee. I'll have to check with my local post office, but I can't see it being more than $10 extra.
Thanks.
Height = 28.75mm (1.1425 inches)
Diameter = 33.20mm (1.3110 inches)
Depth of cut = 9.41mm (0.37 inches)
I don't see any reason why I couldn't ship them to Europe as long as you are willing to pay the additional shipping fee. I'll have to check with my local post office, but I can't see it being more than $10 extra.
Thanks.
Mr. Z,
Thanks for checking !
Well I just measured some of the containers that are commonly available here and nothing seems t0 fit (they are al between 40 and 60mm high, wich would defeat the whole purpose of the water dishes )
So I guess I'll just have to order the deli-cups you guys use 2, just to be sure are the top ones from this site the right one's ?
http://www.lllreptile.com/packing.html
Those are 8oz deli cups, so that should be ok, but just checking
Thanks in advance !
Thanks for checking !
Well I just measured some of the containers that are commonly available here and nothing seems t0 fit (they are al between 40 and 60mm high, wich would defeat the whole purpose of the water dishes
)So I guess I'll just have to order the deli-cups you guys use 2, just to be sure are the top ones from this site the right one's ?
http://www.lllreptile.com/packing.html
Those are 8oz deli cups, so that should be ok, but just checking
Thanks in advance !
Well, I have never bought them from LLL so I can't comment on whether or not they are the same. I get all mine from Superior Enterprise
and have never had a problem ordering from them. I get the 8 ounce CLEAR Solo brand cups (predrilled) and lids and I highly recommend them. The white ones I have tried did not have clear lids that satisfied me. Plus the lids were very brittle, whereas the Solo lids are very sturdy.
The only thing I wish Superior would change is that they drill the holes in such a way that the sharp edges are inside. A baby snake will invariably find even one sharp edge and rub it's nose against it. But they only charge 1 cent extra per cup to predrill them, and I've done the drilling myself enough to know that I don't want to do that again.
Take care.
and have never had a problem ordering from them. I get the 8 ounce CLEAR Solo brand cups (predrilled) and lids and I highly recommend them. The white ones I have tried did not have clear lids that satisfied me. Plus the lids were very brittle, whereas the Solo lids are very sturdy.
The only thing I wish Superior would change is that they drill the holes in such a way that the sharp edges are inside. A baby snake will invariably find even one sharp edge and rub it's nose against it. But they only charge 1 cent extra per cup to predrill them, and I've done the drilling myself enough to know that I don't want to do that again.
Take care.
Thanks yet again, I've sent an E-mail to inquire about Superior's international shipping policy, and I am keeping my fingers crossed at this point. On the plus side they are even cheaper then those offered bij LLL
Hey when I am able to get the deli-cups and I order the water dishes from you....you couldn't stick a butter stripe in there could you hahahahahahaha (only joking OFFCOURSE !! )
Anywayz, thanks for taking time from your, no doubt, very busy schedule to help me out.....and greetings to all from me in Belgium
Hey when I am able to get the deli-cups and I order the water dishes from you....you couldn't stick a butter stripe in there could you
hahahahahahaha (only joking OFFCOURSE !! )Anywayz, thanks for taking time from your, no doubt, very busy schedule to help me out.....and greetings to all from me in Belgium
Superior is kind of slow answering their emails. I imagine they are quite busy this time of year as everyone is ordering their supplies for the hatching season. They probably have their hands full filling the orders.
After having a season where they told me the deli cups were on back order, and me thinking "Oh my God! I'm going to have to start drilling those darn deli cup bottoms again myself!", I learned to order early.
After having a season where they told me the deli cups were on back order, and me thinking "Oh my God! I'm going to have to start drilling those darn deli cup bottoms again myself!", I learned to order early.
That tought did occur to me, so after a few more days I did now get a response from them, and they are willing to ship to me....but the shipping rate's wil be fairly high....offcourse they didn't mention how high
So I mailed them back right away, asking about the shipping charges for 500 solo 8oz cups....possibly even a thousand (I plan on keeping alot of corns and not having to be pay shipping every year, so I will just stock up).
If everything works out with superior, you can expect on order for 1000 liners and about 300 water thingies from me........
So I mailed them back right away, asking about the shipping charges for 500 solo 8oz cups....possibly even a thousand (I plan on keeping alot of corns
and not having to be pay shipping every year, so I will just stock up).If everything works out with superior, you can expect on order for 1000 liners and about 300 water thingies from me........
Don't forget to order the lids for the deli cups. They are ordered separately from the deli cup bottoms.
Also, bear in mind that those deli cup liners are VERY thin and I wind up using 3 or 4 of them per deli cup. I tried to get the manufacturer to make them thicker for me, but I'm too small potatoes for them to want to do that. I guess if I was ordering tens of millions of them they would tool up for it. But I'm just not willing to sink $30,000 into that kind of inventory.
I've been making the deli cup water dishes anytime I have a free hour or so. Trying to get as many made up as I can before my time runs out when the babies begin hatching in earnest. Plus I want to have a good supply of them for the shows. I always sell some of them there.
Also, bear in mind that those deli cup liners are VERY thin and I wind up using 3 or 4 of them per deli cup. I tried to get the manufacturer to make them thicker for me, but I'm too small potatoes for them to want to do that. I guess if I was ordering tens of millions of them they would tool up for it. But I'm just not willing to sink $30,000 into that kind of inventory.
I've been making the deli cup water dishes anytime I have a free hour or so. Trying to get as many made up as I can before my time runs out when the babies begin hatching in earnest. Plus I want to have a good supply of them for the shows. I always sell some of them there.
