Extra hets in clutch!?

[adsclarke]

Hey all,

I thought I'd post some pics of this clutch and see what you guys think?

Parents were supposed to be Amel het Lavender Stripe X Same.

Here are a few pics of what has come out:

A stripe in the clutch:

And just a fun one :0

Anyone got any ideas? I've got an idea.. is that a snow? I think so.

Cheers
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[jayson rafter]

snow's...

i see snow's and opal's. the one striped snow looks more motley/striped than striped. nice clutch BTW.

-jay

 

[K. Rene]

Beautiful clutch for sure. I see amels, snows and possibly opals. the one you posted as a stripe is actually a motley (pinstripe) but I think I do see an amel stripe in the first pic. Interesting babies for sure.

 

[adsclarke]

There are stripes in the clutch for sure which means that it is not possible to have got motleys as well from the same parents. I would agree that the snow i posted looks more motley though.

The parents it seems were Amel het Lavender Anery Stripe.

Cheers
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[cornmorphs]

There are stripes in the clutch for sure which means that it is not possible to have got motleys as well from the same parents. I would agree that the snow i posted looks more motley though.

The parents it seems were Amel het Lavender Anery Stripe.

Cheers
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on this comment, I get motleys, stripes and cubes in the same litter every year, and have done for the last 3 years and double clutches too. I should have that same clutch hatching in a few weeks, so its not ment to be possible, but these things happen.
just like ant over here in the uk.. anery to snow, he got a normal.. go figure lol.
on the original, to me i believe i can see snowm, opal.. and although it is unlikely, the snow on the left looks like it has diffusion.

 

[Seriva Senkalora]

Well... From this parents you can't get motleys and stripeds as well.
Because stripeds are alway hom striped and this means both parents have to be het striped. If one of the parents were het motley you wouldn't get any stripeds ony motleys (in all possible variations from hurricane pattern to q-tipped). Both of the striped babys look like striped to me, so I would say they are hom striped and no motley is involved.

Congratz to the clutch, I'll make a similar breeding next year and I'm afraid I can't tell which of the hatchlings are snows, opals or snopals. ^^

Seriva

 

[Seriva Senkalora]

Oh, I can't edit so:

"you wouldn't get any stripeds ony motleys"
=
"you wouldn't get any stripeds only motleys"

Sorry.

 

[Caryl]

on this comment, I get motleys, stripes and cubes in the same litter every year, and have done for the last 3 years and double clutches too. I should have that same clutch hatching in a few weeks, so its not ment to be possible, but these things happen.
just like ant over here in the uk.. anery to snow, he got a normal.. go figure lol.
on the original, to me i believe i can see snowm, opal.. and although it is unlikely, the snow on the left looks like it has diffusion.

I see visual amel, snow and opal babies. Motley and stripe are allelic; cube is a variant of stripe. It IS "meant to be possible" to have all of the above in the same clutch. If one parent is motley/stripe and the other is stripe, that's a perfectly sensible result.

If these parents are visual normals and are producing true stripe babies, they are in fact het stripe as stated and therefore can't produce motley babies, as you said.

As for the anery to snow which produced a normal, there are a couple of possiblities. Either the normal was the result of sperm retention from a prior breeding or the "anery" is a charcoal. Anery A and Charcoal aren't always visually distinct, and they're genetically incompatible.

 

[adsclarke]

Yup - on the stripe or motley thing. The parents are het stripe and there is a proper stripe in the clutch, not a motley with a stripe pattern. I will get a decent photo of that guy and post asap.

So, anyone have any idea if it is possible to tell a snow from a snopal? I'm guessing not.

It's all a lot of fun!

Cheers
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[TandJ]

I agree, you have Anery A floating around there!

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[diamondlil]

What a sweet clutch!

 

[cornmorphs]

I see visual amel, snow and opal babies. Motley and stripe are allelic; cube is a variant of stripe. It IS "meant to be possible" to have all of the above in the same clutch. If one parent is motley/stripe and the other is stripe, that's a perfectly sensible result.

If these parents are visual normals and are producing true stripe babies, they are in fact het stripe as stated and therefore can't produce motley babies, as you said.

As for the anery to snow which produced a normal, there are a couple of possiblities. Either the normal was the result of sperm retention from a prior breeding or the "anery" is a charcoal. Anery A and Charcoal aren't always visually distinct, and they're genetically incompatible.

I obviously misread, but my statement stands.. I have, and do every year produce as per said from said pairing..

Yup - on the stripe or motley thing. The parents are het stripe and there is a proper stripe in the clutch, not a motley with a stripe pattern. I will get a decent photo of that guy and post asap.

So, anyone have any idea if it is possible to tell a snow from a snopal? I'm guessing not.

It's all a lot of fun!

Cheers
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sorry mate, for some reason I thought there was stripe and motley in there... guess I didnt read it all correct lol.. for a change

 

[wax32]

Snopals or Pearls as I call them should show less pattern than your snows, more like a blizzard. I have the same issue each clutch from my pair than can make pearls. SO far I haven't hit the odds.

 

[Susan]

Beautiful clutch for sure. I see amels, snows and possibly opals. the one you posted as a stripe is actually a motley (pinstripe) but I think I do see an amel stripe in the first pic. Interesting babies for sure.

That snow is a stripe, just an imperfect one where there is some cross connection between the stripes. It happens. You can tell the difference between a stripe and a pin-striped motley by the width of the stripes themselves as well as the distance between them. They will also be "smoother" as the "stripe" in pin-striped motleys tends to have "rough" spots. I made a comparison thread that may help: Stripe Versus Striped Motley Comparison

 

[Jessicat]

Thanks Susan! That's kind of what I was thinking as well. Couldn't have put it better than you did, though!

Hrm, so is it weird that there is a possible (I think it looks like an Opal) Opal in here, but no Lavender? Does the Amel kind of automatically attach to Lavender? It would be awesome to get some Anery Lavs, would that be possible for this particular pairing? Either way, beautiful hatchlings! What an interesting mix! I'm not huge on snow morphs, just because I can't really tell the difference between many of them, but hey, there was a time when.. should I really say this out loud.. I didn't really care at all for Lavs. It'll be interesting to see how they all progress!

 

[vetdebbie]

Thanks Susan! That's kind of what I was thinking as well. Couldn't have put it better than you did, though!

Hrm, so is it weird that there is a possible (I think it looks like an Opal) Opal in here, but no Lavender? Does the Amel kind of automatically attach to Lavender? It would be awesome to get some Anery Lavs, would that be possible for this particular pairing? Either way, beautiful hatchlings! What an interesting mix! I'm not huge on snow morphs, just because I can't really tell the difference between many of them, but hey, there was a time when.. should I really say this out loud.. I didn't really care at all for Lavs. It'll be interesting to see how they all progress!

Both parents were homozygous amel, so all the babies will be. If they inherit the lavender gene then they become opal, as yes, they 'automatically' get the amel.... in this pairing. Anery lavenders are around and about, but not out of this clutch, as again (IF we could ID them!) they would have the automatic amel, making them snowpals.