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Fire motley morph? Little help please.

BLKfly

BLKfly

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I'm getting a male fire motley in the mail tomorrow and I'm very exited about him. Just very confused as well. The breeder said he is a triple trait, amel+diffused+motley/stripe and 100% het for Carmel. How could he be 100% het for Carmel, and a motley/stripe but only be a triple trait? Just getting into morphs so any help is appreciated.
 
Well, fire is an amel+diffused and the distinction between motley and stripe is still difficult to tell. Those are the triple trait.
Then he's 100% het caramel, that means the breeder is sure of this het 100%. Het means heterozygous, and that If you bred your fire to a caramel, you'd probably get between 30-50% of visual caramels: they would have the two genes to show caramel appearence, not just one like your fire. That's why yours doesn't look a caramel. Your snake is not a visual caramel, so it's not a trait for him, just a gene he is carrying and could show if a correct pairing were made.
I'm no expert at genetics, so my explanation may not be the clearest of the world, but I hope this helps.
 
Nanci said:
Not in 99% of the cases...
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Isn't genetically hard to do so because both can be expressed as a striped in the end on extreme cases? If the breeder is not sure which on it is it could be the case.
Other than that, yes, the difference is quite clear.
 
The seller saying the snake is a motley/stripe means the snake has one motley gene, and one stripe gene. Those genes are both at the motley locus and so having two mutant genes means the snake is not going to display a normal pattern. The snake can also have motley OR stripe offspring, depending on the genes of the the snake it's mated to.
 
Thank you, I just wanted to be sure of his genetic makeup because I do plan on breeding him in the future. So basically he carries 5 genes but only 3 show witch make him a fire motley.
 
mishima25 said:
Isn't genetically hard to do so because both can be expressed as a striped in the end on extreme cases? If the breeder is not sure which on it is it could be the case.
Other than that, yes, the difference is quite clear.
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Both can have a continuous stripe, but I don't find them hard to tell apart at all. The difference in the width of the stripe is quite apparent.
 
Phenotype: amel diffused motley

Genotype: amel diffused motley het caramel, het stripe
 
Note to clarify : a cornsnake with one motley gene and one stripe gene can indeed appear as a perfectly, symmetrically, beautifully patterned motley cornsnake.

In fact, several are pictured at the moment in the classifieds.
 
Vetusvates ... that pic of Groucho is how I look when people start talking about genes and morphs and amels and .... and ....
 
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