Genetics Question - Hypo and Butter

[serpentcreations]

I have a genetics question. Does anyone know if the hypo gene has any effect on a Butter corn? I have seen the hypo Caramels, but I cannot find any information on a Hypo Butter. Does this mean that the Hypo gene does not have any effect on the butter? I have a 2006 pair, they are both het for hypo.


Thank You,
Amber Rabideau

 

[marchettid]

I'm sure hypo has an effect, but because butters are yellow, a light, bright color, you probably wont see much of a difference?... But I don't have first hand experience either, so maybe someone else can give a more definite answer.

 

[Roy Munson]

TECHNICALLY, hypo should not have an effect when it is expressed in conjuction with amel. "Masked" is the term used to describe this.
Amel masks hypo. Amelanism completely eliminates black and brown pigment. Hypomelanism reduces black and brown pigment. So if hypo's effect is to reduce black/brown pigment, but an amel doesn't have any to reduce anyway, hypo will be considered masked. A butter is a caramel amel, so hypo should be masked in that combo.

Some claim that hypo makes for more colorful amel-combos (e.g., snows, opals), but I don't think this has been proven.

 

[pgr8dnlvr]

Well, all I know that motley sunglows and striped sunglows look a HECK of a lot brighter when they are homo hypo. Perhaps the butters might be even brighter and cleaner when homo hypo? Of course you would have to test breed them to KNOW for sure that's what you have...

You know what I wonder, here's a set of thought to chew over...

- In normals homo for hypo those black lines on borders can be hugely reduced. This is seems quite evident in hypo okeetees.

- In the best sunglow motleys <of course by definition the sunglow is meaning no white at all> but this seems to be a heck of a lot easier to accomplish perfect ones when hypo is involved.

- Now think of butters. Many have white flecks in with the yellow or definite white saddles. Quite often though from Rich Z.'s adult sell offs, I'm finding that his butters have little or no white and they are by far the brightest yellows I've seen... Perhaps they are what we are seeing with hypo being involved somewhere?!? UGH, MORE TESTS IN ORDER! LOL!

Anyway, let us know what your findings are!

Rebecca

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[serpentcreations]

Thank you for all the input! It should be interesting to see what the results are. Since they are both supposedly het, 25% of the clutch should be have the masked hypo gene, we will see if it is obvious in any of the hatchlings. I can't wait!

 

[Maxim]

Some claim that hypo makes for more colorful amel-combos (e.g., snows, opals), but I don't think this has been proven.

...that´s exactly what I think. Check out Hypo Opals or Coral Snows, they look different to the "classic" Opals or Snows. But up till now nothinkg is proven out.

 

[Duff]

TECHNICALLY, hypo should not have an effect when it is expressed in conjuction with amel. "Masked" is the term used to describe this.
Amel masks hypo. Amelanism completely eliminates black and brown pigment. Hypomelanism reduces black and brown pigment. So if hypo's effect is to reduce black/brown pigment, but an amel doesn't have any to reduce anyway, hypo will be considered masked. A butter is a caramel amel, so hypo should be masked in that combo.

Some claim that hypo makes for more colorful amel-combos (e.g., snows, opals), but I don't think this has been proven.

This is why I'm not sure hypomelanism is really the right classification. In my opinion, if hypo DOES have a noticeable affect on amel animals, the hypo gene needs to be reclassified as that should not be possible. You can't reduce what isn't there. I wonder if it's really hypererythrism (increase in red) that's going on?