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Ghost+Ghost=?

BezilsGirl

BezilsGirl

SandStone Corns
Ok, I'm confused. I bred for the first time this year so I started out simple. I bred two ghosts together. I bred a ghost het stripe male to a ghost (sold as no hets) female. And what do I get? Half ghosts, (actually sort of anery looking) and half normals! So what's up with that? Either way (even if she was a weird looking anery) I shouldn't be ending up with normals. Anyone have any idea? Here are the parents- and then I'll post some pictures of the hatchlings. I'm confused here. One person has a good reputation on here- other other (the female) I got off kingsnake. Any ideas? Before I sell any of the hatchlings I want to know what they are. I'm pretty sure half are ghost ph stripe and the other half are normal het ghost ph stripe. So did I guess right for my first try? :shrugs:
The pictures are (I think in order)
the parents hooking up
the hatchlings
the mother
 

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Has the mom ever been bred before? It could be sperm retention. It looks like you bred an Anery to a Ghost het stripe, which should have gotten you all anerys het for hypo pos het stripe. :shrugs:
 
Yes you are right it could be sprem retention. She was bred before she was sold to me. I don't know what she was bred to though. But she was sold as a ghost. Do you think she is a ghost? She looks it to me. But she could have been bred to something to give me normals and anerys.
 
What I see or at lest what i think i see is ghost, anery A, hypo and normals. The light color anery will be the ghost and the light color normals are the hypos. IMO Has far as the het. stripe, none of these babies will be het or ph
for strip, cause it is lost or greatly reduced the odds when breed to an no het snake. To "make" ghost is to breed hypo to Anery A. That could explane why you have a variety of baby colors
 
That could very well be for the mom. I just wanted to point out on the hatchlings though (i'll get better pictures soon) that a few were in shed (partway through) so that may have affected the shot. Let me go get a shot or two now and post. It'll be just a few minutes. That might clear things up a bit as they have had 3 meals and 2 sheds now.
 
Here are the pictures- excuse the quality- its night and I have horrible lighting and uh, skills (lets face it).

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Ok- looking at the pictures I guess white wasn't the best background. Shoot. Sorry!
 

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well, I sure am not the best at guessing morphs :( but they look normal and anery to me ... I bred a ghost to an amel and got 2 amels, 2 normal and 1 miami...... genetics are a Very hard and funny thing to deal with.
 
IMO, the female doesn't look like a ghost. She may be, but would be an extremely dark ghost. Besides retained sperm, another possible explanation for those offspring is that the female is a charcoal, and if she was het anery, would produce normals and anerys when bred to your ghost male.
 
Susan said:
IMO, the female doesn't look like a ghost. She may be, but would be an extremely dark ghost. Besides retained sperm, another possible explanation for those offspring is that the female is a charcoal, and if she was het anery, would produce normals and anerys when bred to your ghost male.
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Hey! That's what I was going to say! hehehe
 
Ok, that makes the most sense to me. I kept going back to my little genetics calculator and plugging things in to see what combination she could be. But I bet you are right and that's what she is. I guess my lesson for the day is even when you "know" what you are going to get you really don't. :D Such is life. Thanks SO much for your help!! I was clueless! Hopefully next year I'm going to be doing quite a bit more breeding and I'm going to be counting on those of you with more experience to help me through it. Of course when I sell on here you will get a discount to show my appreciation! Thanks so much again!
 
reptile_jones said:
The reason why i was thinking Anery A, is because their look like their is yellow around the head.
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Charcoals can also have yellow as well as just about all the other morphs and combos. The only morph I can think of that I can't recall seeing the yellow neck on is lavender.
 
Susan said:
Charcoals can also have yellow as well as just about all the other morphs and combos. The only morph I can think of that I can't recall seeing the yellow neck on is lavender.
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So far, I've yet to see or hear about yellow in Cinders. It may be the true axanthic.
 
Well, here is the way I see it.

Since you got anerys AND normals, that means that one of the parents is NOT anery based....i.e. a ghost or anery. (Or that means sperm was retained)

If the male is a ghost and female is ghost, clutch should be all ghosts.
If the male is an ghost and female is a anery, clutch should be all anerys. (and vice versa if the roles were reversed)

Therefore, if sperm retention is ruled out, the father or mother have to be some het anery animal. Like Susan said, maybe a charcoal het anery? But I have a charcoal het anery (possible homo anery) and it is does not look like that....but there is always variation. My guess right now is sitting with sperm retention. Good luck finding out what they are....and from a selling perspective...I'd sell them as anerys and normals...no hets listed.

You got anerys AND normals
 
I checked with the guy that sold her to me and her previously bred her to a snow. With retained sperm that would have given me all anerys if she was a straight ghost. So now I'm betting that susan guess was right and she is a charcoal het anery.
 
Maybe a phantom? (Charcoal Hypo) but then you should have seen hypos in the mix if the father was a ghost. She reminds me of a phantom male I had back in the day.

Maybe the father is an anery and the female is a charcoal (or charcoal ghost) het anery? :shrugs:
 
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