Granite Baby updates!

[Michael823]

Hey everyone,

It's been a little while since I've been on the site, and I figured I was overdue for some updates. I'll try and be better about posting under one thread, so I'll make this my official update thread from now on. And I'll try to get some better photos of these guys up soon as well.

For now, I mostly just wanted to take some reference photos of these guys to show of some of their sides. They aren't the greatest photos by any stretch, but I hope they can provide enough reference to show what I find so interesting about several of them.

Here's arguably the most diffused of the clutch, showing some of his diffusion/white sides. As you can see, there is some 'stitching' of the pattern showing between the sides and belly, underneath the diffusion. But other than that subtle stretch of stitching, the rest of his 1st half goes from clear belly to white sides/diffusion, without any stitching whatsoever.

Here's a more noticeable example of his/her sides.

It may be hard to tell here, but this is a closeup of part of the sides, that appear to be clear/translucent (see the dark blue organs). Of the blood red and granite babies that I've previously gotten, I haven't seen such dramatic diffusion, or such noticeable translucence as in these. Even in their parents. In person, you can see the organs of these guys in minimal light. Which, as it is with the other 'typical' looking granite clutch mates, you can't see through the sides or belly whatsoever.

Another decent reference of the sides.

A shot from one of the other babies, showing the clear transition from belly to side, without any pattern interfering (with the exception of a spec).

The more 'typical' looking granite (notice the patterning on the sides, as well as the 'stitching' appearance at the base of the sides, between the belly scales and sides.

And lastly, a shot comparison of the sides of both. First is the shot of the typical looking granite, and second is of one of the unusual ones. Notice the stitching between the sides on the first, as well as the difference in color on the bellies. The first is a stark white, with no breakup. The second, which may be hard to tell in a photo, is the strange translucent looking belly.

Typical Granite belly..

The more diffused..

^ On some parts of the really diffused babies, it's even more dramatic of a belly. But it was hard enough to get a stable photo of the belly in the light, so I figured this example would suffice.

Anyways.. Sorry to bore everyone with the details and descriptions. I'll look to put up actual photos of these guys soon (not just reference ones).

Thanks for looking!

 

[Michael823]

Also, this is just another little question..

I understand that some hypos can have red eyes. The mother of these babies is a Ghost Blood Red, and her pupil glows red. Which I understand is not that unusual. However, a couple of these babies also have that red pupil, but show no other distinguishable difference for one another. Is this a sign that some could be Ghost Blood Red's instead of Granite's? Or is it just a semi-normal/common thing?

The babies, by my guess, don't look hypo. So I surely won't just call them hypo because of the eyes. But it's one more curious thing that I've noticed, that hopefully someone can lend insight into.

Thanks again for looking.

 

[Aozora]

Your little granites are gorgeous!

I can't contribute much to the questions, but I found your post and your pictures intriguing. My granite male also has the nearly-translucent sides and the odd looking belly, and he also has excellent diffusion. Yours is much more white-sided than he is, though.

I wonder how the genetics work into this. The clear belly must be in some way tied into high diffusion, but not to simple expression of the bloodred gene. Is his belly that color all the way down, or only in some places? I know my male only has a belly like that about 2/3 of the way down; his tail looks normal.

I also wonder if it might be related to expression on the Y chromosome, since both yours and mine are male and have that weird belly.

 

[Michael823]

Thank you for your response. I am equally intrigued by it all. I specifically fell in love with both parents for their diffusion and overall appearance, but still, neither seem to be as unusually diffused as their offspring. And where there were no in-betweeners, as far as diffusion, whiteness or 'clearness' (It was evident, or not at all), it seems strange that it would simply be that their offspring just happen to be so much more expressed than their parents.. then again, I don' t know?.

Hopefully someone will come along with more perspective and experience than I have, because I am very excited to learn more about anything bloodred. For now I'm just lucky that I had success with these babies/juveniles, so I can get to watch them grow for myself.

 

[MotleyMedusa7]

he has great diffusion -here's a link to my Granite-he looks like he has mid range diffusion between yours & a normal granite

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119917&highlight=Shadow