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Hatchling feeding: The good, the bad and lessons learned

CAV

Dazed and Cornfused
Well........

Yesterday was hatchling feeding day and I'm currently engaged in a battle of wits with 8 hatchlings. Here is the breakdown:
A) 2 eating x2 pinkies
B) 2 eating x1 pinkie
C) 2 eating when the mood hits (~10-15 days)
D) 2 have never fed since hatching.

The good news:
I have been having fits with the two that refuse all meals. I have tried everything: live, brained, heads, in the dark, in the cup, standing on my head, ect. Out of desperation, I finally grabbed some anoles for scenting. Rubbed the heck out of a couple of pinks and waited with baited breath. Result: After five hours in the cup and seven weeks without food, ONE FINALLY ATE!!!!!!!!

The bad news:
As I was moved everyone into their feeding containers I noticed that one was very still. Upon further inspection I realized that it had recently expired. This was one of my best feeders. It was the first to eat every time and was moving up to 2 per feeding. I keep everyone on paper so impaction wasn't the cause.

Lessons learned:
1) For everyone asking how long a hatchling can go without food, the answer is "at least 7 weeks" :D

2) Sometimes it just isn't meant to be. Not every hatchling will make it adulthood, regardless of what you try or how good your husbandry may be. No rhyme, no reason.

3) The one that "isn't meant to be" will of course be your FEMALE HYPO LAV WITH A PERFECT PATTERN!!!!! :mad: (If you want a snake that eats every time get a baby BRB.)
 
CAV, Sorry to hear about your loss, there.

I've lost exactly one of "my" babies (some non-feeders I got from someone else to help out have died before) out of all that have passed through my hands. Know which one? Why it was the female hypobloodred I waited online for four months to get OF COURSE!!!!

I know Murphy, like justice, is suppose to be blind, but I think he peeks every now and then! He better hope I never find HIM!!

Glad to hear of your successes, though. I just got 32 non-feeders in the other day. Out of that many (each of which had refused at least three meals) 20 of them took their first meals scented with anole. I would say that is a pretty conclusive percentage in favor of the anole scenting working for most non-feeders.

:cool:
 
Thanks, Darin. Of all the hatchlings, that little Hypo Lav was the last one I expected to find taking the long nap.


BTW, if you do find Murphy I got your back!
 
Its inevitable. I've heard the same story so many times that the "best one" died in the egg, or would never eat, or escaped, etc., etc., etc.
Moral: Never pick a favorite
But really, sorry about that one. I know it hurts. I've been there.
Hey, I'm there right now.
-Jack
 
"Moral: Never pick a favorite"


When you place your name on a waiting list for several months and send in your deposit, then send the rest of the money to make it a cool $400 for a 1.1 pair of neonate hatchlings . . .

Trust me -- you HAVE a favorite!

:D
 
CAV why dont you try a lizard on the non-eaters
generally speaking if you have a hatchling that refuses to eat any type of pinky and you have tried several times wouldnt it be best for the hatchling to try and feed it something else like a small lizard this will ensure some type of nurishment then if the hatchling takes the lizard there will be a better chance he will take a scented pinky since he has a taste for lizards
When I decided to keep a beautiful w/c hatchling that i found in my front yard he wouldnt eat a pinky but he hasnt lived these first few of his months of his life with out eating something so this being south florida i know he had to have been on a lizard diet so i caught a lizard put it in a container with the pinky and let it run all around the pinky for about an hour the hatchling took the pinky with no hesitation
 
As I mentioned in the 1st post, I did try a lizard. Lizard scenting is a last resort and has so far been at least partially effective. To date, I'm not really concerned about the hatchlings not eating, as they are active, alert and not dropping weight. Of course that will start to change in the next week or so. For now, I am cautiously optimistic.

Unfortunately, the dead hatchling has a great feeder that never refused a meal. That death will forever remain a mystery.
 
my apalogies I understood the first post as saying you have scented the pinkies with an anole I didnt think you have tried the actual anole well best of luck to you and those hatchlings
 
CAV

Here's a little trick that I found to work good on most hatchling's that refuse everything else...

Just put the problem feeder(s) in the same tank with an anole or two...Mist the cage at night about an hour after the lights go out...Do this for a few days and you will probably notice your missing an anole...

I have done this with several problem feeders and after 2 or 3 feedings this way, they start to accept lizard scented pink mice...

Of course I use this as a last resort on hatchling's that have refused food for 8 wks at the least...You also run the risk of cannabalism if you place them together...That is why I use this as a last resort...Kinda like only the strong survive...

Hope they eat soon...For the record I have had hatchling non-fedders live for up to 12wks without a meal from birth...They were pretty thin and refused every method I tried...

Try this with your non-feeders...Good luck
 
Anole project

Like I needed another one :rolleyes:

A couple of weeks ago, I set up three anoles in a terrarium. (I didn't feel like getting some, just to turn them into lizardsicles) Anyway, they are actually pretty interesting to watch. Really interesting color changers......

On feeding days, I grab one and rub a couple of washed pinkies against it. Then it goes back in and basks away the afternoon.
 
a trick I used to switch one little guy from anole only (which is unlike yours who refuse live and f/t anoles but anyway) to pinkies is chop off a bit of tail or arm and shove it in the f/t pinkies mouth.

Works 100% every time if the little guys go for anoles already
 
Jackpot!

After more than 8 weeks since hatching, my male Opal finally decided to sample the menu. During this time, I've tried f/t, live, brained, in the light, in the dark, at night, in the morning, anole scented, in the cup, in the tub, and left over night. I guess it finally clicked: That's smells great!

BTW, I now have 3 pet anoles that are pretty cool to watch. I can also testify that an anole with eat a pinky! ;)

Here he is finishing lunch:
 

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excellent

well, you sure earned that one. Hope his kids dont act like he does. Really pretty snake, too.
Thats very inyeresting about anoles eating mice. Id imagine a very small percentage of anoles on Earth have actually done it and far less have had the chance. Sounds like a research project. Get Tiffany right on that!
LOL
-Jack
 
I truly understand Cav. I have tried it all. I have a male hypo bloodred that has eaten twice in 7 weeks and stopped and a opal female that won't eat at all, going on 8 weeks now. I got a mouse tail in her once, but thats it. She even took a pinkie head last week after much coaxing and I was so excited, and then she swung her head around and spit it out.
 
i had about nine snakes hatch out but two didn't take to feeding and i had to force feed them but unfortunately they did end up dying
 
littleone19 said:
sorry i'm new to all this but what does anole mean???

A small lizard that hatchling corns in the wild usually start feeding on before pinkies.
 
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