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Help identifying this morph

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lnvexotics

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i was told it was a bloodred but ive also been told bloodreds dont have a chequer belly pattern and he has....help im not that well up on corn morphs.

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Welcome. :)

You're right; a bloodred would not have belly checkers. Looks like a normal/classic/common/wild-type to me. Nice snake.
 
i thought a normal corn looked somthing like
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i know corns are highly variable but it looks nothing like the one above.
 
When I saw your add on livefood, I was going to contact you to say it was not a blood. But then I didnt want to burst any bubbles.

But as other members have said, it is indeed a normal corn. You may want to consider changing your future adds :)
 
I totally agree.. Normals can vary so much.. All of these pictures are of normal corns..

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Regards... Tim of T and J
 
Any chance you could take some pics from the side, and maybe even some belly pics? Your snake looks like it has some diffusion going on, along the sides. It may not be a bloodred, but it could be a normal het. bloodred...
 
A clear hear shot would help as well,but its not Homo.for blood red.Thats for sure.It is however a very nice looking normal.
 
While a normal, it is a very nice normal. It is not a wild-type normal, though. There are definitely some breeding project genes happening there.
 
Looks a lot like my normal.

Here's some pics of mine
He's a normal,but hasnt been proven het for anything....yet..

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Looks pretty much the same IMHO...
 
Shaky said:
While a normal, it is a very nice normal. It is not a wild-type normal, though. There are definitely some breeding project genes happening there.
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I'm curious as to how you make this determination. I've seen wild caughts that looked nearly identical to this snake. What project genes are you seeing definitive evidence for? :shrugs:
 
Well, in Europe there seem to be quite a lot of breeders/sellers who do not understand the concept behind bloodreds. If they have two snakes and one is redder than the other, they will call the one a bloodred. You'll especially see this with motleys and stripes. It seems like most motleys and stripes over there are labeled as "bloodred" even though they have nothing to do with the diffusion gene and don't have any known bloodred ancestors.

The "proper" definition of a bloodred is a snake that is homozygous for diffusion and is also selectively bred for near patternlessness and lots of red. Some do not include the selective breeding in the equation and use "bloodred" with anything that is homozygous for diffusion. I guess there are some who also use the term for hets, but I don't think that is very common.

Anyway, in almost all versions, the diffusion gene (which is what wipes out the belly checkers) is necessary. So, if your snake has belly checkers, it's not a bloodred.
 
I agree Serp!

I have seen all too many "reddish" normal corns being marketed here as Bloods or Rosys...When they bear no resemblance to true bloods at all! :shrugs: Fortunately I didn't buy any of said creatures... (pretty as they were) I would've been HIGHLY annoyed if someone sold me something and it wasn't what they said it was...
 
Roy Munson said:
I'm curious as to how you make this determination. I've seen wild caughts that looked nearly identical to this snake. What project genes are you seeing definitive evidence for? :shrugs:
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I was referring to the almost total lack of dark dorsal striping and the intensity of color. Very few WC (that i've seen) are devoid of some darker, more muddied areas. This snake looks like its lacking much side-blotching, too, which I have never seen happen in WCs. I guess the whole 'look' gives me a CB feeling.
 
Howdy Folks!
Since he's in the UK, wouldn't it generally have to be a CB, not a WC? Just a thought.
BTW nice normal.
 
kimbyra said:
Howdy Folks!
Since he's in the UK, wouldn't it generally have to be a CB, not a WC? Just a thought.
BTW nice normal.
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That part of the discussion had to do with the term "wild type". It appears that some (like Shaky) would use the look of wild caughts as the defining criterion for use of the term "wild type". Others (like me) consider any phenotypical normal to be "wild type". :)
 
lnvexotics said:
i was told it was a bloodred but ive also been told bloodreds dont have a chequer belly pattern and he has....help im not that well up on corn morphs.[/IMG]
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With the scarcity of black, I would have said hypo.
 
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