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Can someone look at these and tell me what you thing that they are and what they aew worth. They are both 2002 breeding pair. They were sold to a guy as albino okeetee's but ine looks like a butter to me. I am getting them in a trade but would still like to know what I am getting. Thanks for your help.

Amber
 

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top looks almost like a creamsicle to me so far as the coloration goes, and the bottom one looks like a regular amel...or vomitamel. If they're proven, then it definately raises their value. Other than that, i dont think i could really give you a value.
 
So Pirate55 said:
top looks almost like a creamsicle to me so far as the coloration goes, and the bottom one looks like a regular amel...or vomitamel. If they're proven, then it definately raises their value. Other than that, i dont think i could really give you a value.
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What is a vomitamel? That doesn't sound very nice
 
The top looks like a creamsicle, not a butter and the bottom picture looks like a regular run of the mill amelanistic. Neither are reverse okeetees.

A breeding pair of amels is worth what, $200? $250? I wouldn't pay any more than that, and I think the value drops since one is most likely a creamsicle.
 
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What is a vomitamel? That doesn't sound very nice
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Some people don't really like the look of amels because of theri bright orange and red colors and have dubbed them (and anything else that has bright oranges and reds) vomitmels. lol Too bad I absolutely LOVE Reverse Okeetees. I would have to side with everyone else that has replied. Your top pic looks like a cream and your bottom just an average amel. I think that your pair is worth $250 at the most.
 
I also agree with everyone's opinions about them. I disagree that the value of the "cream" is less because it's a hybrid/intergrade. Typically they are more expensive because of that reason.
 
I know my creamsicle looks like an orange candy cane. If I hadn't bought him as a creamsicle, I wouldn't know any better.
 
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Well, both of those pictures are severely over-exposed, but looking at the bottom one again it looks more cream then it does pure corn.
 
Joejr14 said:
Well, both of those pictures are severely over-exposed, but looking at the bottom one again it looks more cream then it does pure corn.
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I don't see what you are seeing, I guess.

Amber, creamsicles are so closely related to corns that it can be hard to distinguish between a pure corn and a creamsicle (corn crossed with emoryi). If you have any doubts as to what you are getting, then you should not get them. I can tell you with certainty that they are NOT reverse (albino) okeetees as they hardly have any saddle borders at all. Here is a picture of a reverse okeetee:
rev-5-16-04-coiled.jpg
 
Amber, for right now since you are not clear on the background and heritage of either snakes, I would sell them both as just amels. I agree that the top pic does indeed scream cream, but since you're not sure, I would sell it as just an amel (and imply that there is poss. that this may be a cream, just so the new owner knows). Try to get in contact with the person who sold them to you and see if there is any info he/she can provide you with about them. As Joe said above, I would say about $200-ish.
 
Some people don't really like the look of amels because of theri bright orange and red colors and have dubbed them (and anything else that has bright oranges and reds) vomitmels.
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vomitamel, if i'm not mistaken, was a name that was brought up in a thread concerning amels that didnt fall into the fluorescent or candy cane or reverse okeetee categories. One of those amels that seems to have several colors or orange within the background etc. Maybe serp can help me out, we all know how much he loves amels
 
Joejr14 said:
Well, both of those pictures are severely over-exposed, but looking at the bottom one again it looks more cream then it does pure corn.
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I guess that I am confused are you telling me that if it is am cream that it is not a per corn. Explain more please.

As for what they are here are some emails that I rec'd from the best out there:

Hi Amber,
The First Corn Snake that is in the picture is a Butter Corn. It is an Amel Version of the Carmel Corn Which makes it an all Yellow Corn Snake with red (Amel) Eyes. Looks like a beautiful snake, I hope to be adding Butter's to the group this year, but currently do not have any in my lines, The Second Corn looks like a normal Amel with maybe some Miami influence, but the picture is labeled as a reverse Oketee

Jim Hopkins (Hoppy)
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Click on the link to visit my web site


Don @ South Mountain
The yellow one looks like a richly colored butter.The other is just an amelanistic corn. If you're referring to what they'd be worth since they're over two years old, it depends on what genders they are. If the yellow one is a female and is butter, maybe up to $200.00. If the other one is a male, $75.00. Female, $125.00. The females would have been worth more a month ago, but this late in the season, people are going to have to feed her for almost a year before getting eggs.

Don


Kathy Love

The first one is a butter. The second is an amel. Prices are HUGELY variable,
and depend on a lot of different things. I have them range from $75 - $300
- just depends on the animal and the circumstances.

Good luck!

Kathy Love
www.Cornutopia.com
P. O. Box 516
Alva, Fl 33920

239-728-2390
239-691-4414 (back up cell phone)

If it is a cream I guess I will know upon breeding. But why wouldn't I just breed it to another butter rather than a Carmel. What difference does it make?
 
If it is a cream, then it is NOT a pure corn. Do you have any better pictures of the first one?

It looks too orange to be a butter, in my opinion. Here are some pics of adult butters:
popcorn.jpg

sonny.jpg

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And to stir up some stuff, here is a picture of a female creamsicle:
whistle.jpg

She is a pretty good butter look-a-like, but she is NOT a butter.
 
Amber-

A creamsicle cornsnake is the product of an amelanistic corn x emoryi ratsnake. With that you get normals het for amel (creamsicle). When you breed two offspring from that original pairing back to each other you get creamsicles.

Since emoryi ratsnakes are not cornsnakes, they are consider hybrids (or intergrades if you will) and are not pure corn.
 
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