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How hot is TOO HOT for Plastic?

Joolz68

I'm a Sunlog!
For anyone concerned about how to heat a plastic tub, rack or cage for their pet: WRONG THREAD!

But if you need to know how hot the plastic can get before any damage (melting/warping): you've come to the right spot.

There is not just one answer to this question, because there is not just one type of plastic that can be used. Most common (on this forum) are the Sterilite-type tubs. But there's also Tupperware, Rubbermade, and 'No Name Plastic Containers'. Some members have cages made of acrylic. Some also use PVC piping (for water effects in the more elaborate setups). Each type of plastic has it's own characteristics- including a melting point.

Most people (or maybe just me) don't know what the different melting points are for the different plastics out there. But we (I) do know that most plastics have that recyclable symbol (Resin Code) on it. That symbol (and the initials underneath) identifies the type of plastic. So (because of me unquenchable thirst for knowledge) I have constructed the following charts below. I hope someone finds them useful (after all my research and hard work :grin01: ).

If you use a regulated UTH, I see no problem with the common plastics used. And even if it's not regulated, a UTH just doesn't get hot enough to cause melting.

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Resin ID Codes (and their melting points)

--- PETE---- Polyethylene Terephthalate: 260 C

---HDPE--- High-Density Polyethylene: similar to PETE

---PVC, V-- Polyvinyl Chloride: 212 C

--- LDPE---- Low-Density Polyethylene: similar to PETE

---PP------- Polypropylene: 165 C

---PS------- Polystyrene: 240 C
---OTHER--- Acrylic: 130-140 C
---------------------Nylon: 178 C
---------------------Polycarbonate: 267 C
---------------------Polylactic acid: 178 C
---------------------Fiberglass: none, but will soften @ 2000 C
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Ah...excuse me, but all those temps are in Celsius. How do I figure out what the temps would be in Fahrenheit.

I'm WAY AHEAD OF YOU: °F = (°C × 1.8) + 32 Just do the math.



But that's too hard to figure out. I'm no good at math!

For the Mathematically Challenged:
Here's a simple calculator to convert Celsius to Fahrenheit: Temp Converter


:-offtopic
During my research, I found out what all those different plastics are used for (and found some very interesting):

Plastics and their Commons Uses

1. Polyethylene (PE): artificial joints, edge protection on ice rinks, butchers' chopping boards.

2. Polyethylene terephthalate (PETE): carbonated soft drink and water bottles.

3. Polyvinyl chloride (PVC): vinyl siding, magnetic stripe cards, vinyl records, plumbing (white pipes).

4. Polyvinylidene chloride (PVDC): Saran Wrap.

5. Polylactic acid (PLA): sutures, awnings, feminine hygiene products.

6. Polypropylene (PP): food packaging, ropes, plastic parts and reusable containers.

7. Polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA): acrylic glass.

8. Polycarbonate (PC): CDs, DVDs, auto headlamp lenses, animal enclosures used in research.

9. Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE): non-stick coating for pans and other cookware.

10. Polystyrene (PS): plastic model assembly kits, plastic cutlery, CD "jewel" cases.
11. Polyamide (PA): flame-resistant clothing, braking pads NO MELTING POINT; will disintegrate @ 500 C.

12. Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS): plumbing (black pipes), LEGOs, vivid tattoo inks If molded at a high temperature improves the gloss and heat resistance of the product, whereas the highest impact resistance and strength are obtained by molding at low temperature.
 
[sing-song]. . . somebody's looking for a way into the Weekly Review . . . [/sing-song] :grin01:

Actuallly, GREAT information to have posted!! Thanks for the handy resource and the research you did to find it!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

D80
 
I've been thinking about that recently, now that I need to think about cheep housing for my hatchlings and heating that housing.

And cheers :cheers: to the unquenchable thirst for information!
 
'"I AM HUMBLE"-Ralph Kramden, Honeymooners

Drizzt80 said:
[sing-song]. . . somebody's looking for a way into the Weekly Review . . . [/sing-song] :grin01: D80
The Weekly Review? The thought never crossed my mind. :duck:

I did this for: My unquenchable thirst for knowledge and... THE FORUM.
True Herpetological Endeavors For One Reason: Understanding More.

Drizzt80 said:
GREAT information to have posted!! Thanks for the handy resource and the research you did to find it!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: D80
But I'll take that as a nomination. And if I can 2nd that...
 
Converted

Joolz68 said:
°F = (°C × 1.8) + 32

Resin ID Codes (and their melting points):

Polyethylene Terephthalate: 260 C = 500 F
Polyvinyl Chloride: 212 C = 414 F
Polypropylene: 165 C = 329 F
Polystyrene: 240 C = 464 F
Acrylic: 130-140 C = 266-284 F
Nylon: 178 C = 352 F
Polycarbonate: 267 C = 513 F
Polylactic acid: 178 C = 352 F
Fiberglass: none, but will soften @ 2000 C = 3600+ F
 
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So going by that information, there is no way any UTH or flexwatt will get hot enough to melt a tub, unless it completely malfunctions.
 
Yeah, and i doubt that any uth or heatlamp that one should be using for cornsnakes could ever get over the boiling point for water, so I doubt that, even when malfunctioning, these plastics would be melted by one.

Of course if the heatlamp is placed directly on top of a peice of plastic you're asking for trouble.
 
Wow... impressive research, and a very good post. 1 question though, is that the temperature where the plastic starts to liquidate? and if it is, it is possible for the plastic to warp and release fumes at a lower temp?
 
Excellent!!

Snake Savvy said:
Wow... impressive research, and a very good post. 1 question though, is that the temperature where the plastic starts to liquidate? and if it is, it is possible for the plastic to warp and release fumes at a lower temp?
That is a great question! So (because of me unquenchable thirst for knowledge) I have done some more research:

Hard Plastic and Soft Plastic
The plastic keys on your keyboard are hard, while the plastic around the cables of the same computer is soft. This is because each plastic has a certain temperature above which it is soft and pliable, and below which it is hard and brittle. This is called the glass transition temperature, or Tg, because the state of being hard and brittle can also be called glassy.

The Tg is different for each plastic. At room temperature, some plastics are below their Tg, and so they're hard like polystyrene (Styrofoam). Other plastics are above their Tg at room temperature, and so these plastics are soft like polyethylene (a soda bottle).

Not to confuse the Tg with melting point: just above the melting point, a substance is a liquid. Just above and below the Tg, a substance is still a solid, but a different type of solid. Unlike say wax, which has a almost non-existence Tg: it liquefies almost immediately when heat is applied.

Most plastics are classified as either thermoplastic or thermoset, a label which describes the strength of the bonds between adjacent polymer chains within the structure.

In thermoplastics, the polymer chains are only weakly bonded. The chains are free to slide past one another when sufficient thermal energy is supplied, making the plastic formable and recyclable. Most of the plastic materials we use for cages fall in this category.

In thermosets, adjacent polymer chains form strong cross links. When heated, these cross links prevent the polymer chains from slipping past one another. As such, thermosets cannot be reflowed once they are cured (i.e. like the metal bonded to Wolverine's bones- Go X-Men! ). Instead, thermosets can char or disintegrate. Some examples: Vulcanized rubber (tires), Melamine resin (Formica), Polyester Resin (fiberglass).

Below are some common plastics and their relative Tg rating:
PETE= 75* (soft drink bottle)
LDPE= minus 30* (plastic bags)
PVC= 85*
PP= minus 10* (TicTac lid)
PS= 95* (CD jewel cases)
The above temps are in Celsius (see Temp Conversion in initial posting). I'm sure some industrous individual will come along and convert them for you. But I'd rather teach a man to fish...

True Herpetological Endeavors For One Reason: Understanding More
 
oops! almost forgot...

Thermosets were the plastics that tend to have fumes associated with them when heated.
 
Well i guess I'm that darn industrious individual. I was doing the convertions my self, because I'm curious, and Fahrenheit gives me a slightly better idea of how much heat needs to be applied before they reach their TG.

Here are the conversions:

PETE: 75 Celsius = 167 Fahrenheit
LDPE: -30 Celsius = -22 Fahrenheit
PVS: 85 Celsius = 185 Fahrenheit
PP -10 Celsius = 14 Fahrenheit
PS: 95 Celsius = 203 Fahrenheit

One problem, have people ever used any of these for terrariums or aquariums? Great info, but any idea what acrilics Tg point is? I'm pretty sure acrylic will sag a little if it's not thick enough for the preasure exerted on it. So I'm guessing the Tg point is lower than room tempature anyway. So unless your aquariums made out of something else I don't think that's something to worrie about, but I'm sure the acryli will sag more quickly if it gets too hot (and isn't at its melting point yet). Since acrylic is extruded, and as Joolz68 said, it must be a thermoplastic.

This si very interesting, thanks.
 
Found the info, or some of it. I figure I might as well add to the moun of information developing here.

So the site HERE has a great description of the chemistry behind all this plastic stuff. I just skimmed... okay skipped most of it until I found what I needed.

Acrylic is a linear thermoplastic. We already know what thermoplastic means, and linear is essantially the opposite of cross linked. In a linear plastic the molecules are attached to each other in lines so those lines of molecules can easily slip back and forth and side to side. In a cross linked plastic the molecules are conected in 3D, each one connected to multiple neighbors creating a massive web of miniscule molecules (try saying that 10 times fast). These molecules don't slip past one each other as easily, and so most (maybe all, I'm not sure) of them are thermosets, not thermoplastics.

The actual Tg of acrylic varies because it can be treated in so many different ways, but the Tg point must be above room tempature in general (of course, I should have thought about that for a minute). Since acrylis is a linear plastic it still sags more easily than some other plastics, but I don't think it's anything to worry about on an 85-90 degree Fahrenheit REGULATED heat pad, or even under a hotter heat lamp.
 
Maybe this will help...

tbtusk said:
any idea what acrilics Tg point is?
Plexiglass: Tg=100*C (212*F) :realhot:

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