how to make a pewter corn

[pipatic]

hi
as i cant seem to buy pewter corns here,
what corns do i need to produce some,
many thanks

 

[Darin Chappell]

Pewters are homozygous for both bloodred and charcoal. So, you can do the following:

Bloodred x Charcoal = Normals het for both,

Then take

Normal het for both x Normal het for both = 1 in 16 chance of pewters in the second generation (the F2 generation) of your project.

In my opinion, bloodred is a pattern mutation and charcoal is a color mutation, but these are simple recessive genetics involved, so you should be able to count on the percentages fairly well. Ofcourse, The more babies you keep and the more compatable hets you start with should bring you the desired results more quickly, statistically speaking.

Hope that helps --

 

[pipatic]

getting proper charcoal s might be a prob too,as i have seen anery a been sold of as charcoals,
but i can get hold of a blizzards ,which have come of blizzard parents and i have bloodred corns, .any good

 

[Kat]

Blizzards and bloodreds will be fine. You could wind up with some amel bloodreds in the F2s as well. Blizzard bloodreds would be even more rare, but still a possibility. Goodluck!

-Kat

 

[pipatic]

thank you darin and kat,
i tried playing with micks prog tester but could do it on there,


so working on the bloodred and blizzard mating what would the f1 be = ?
then mating the f2 = ?

 

[Serpwidgets]

With the predictor, just replace some other trait for bloodred.

The F1 outcome is straight triple hets.

The F2 outcome by phenotype is:

1/64 Bloodred Amel Charcoal

3/64 Bloodred Amel
3/64 Blizzard
3/64 Pewter

9/64 Bloodred
9/64 Amel
9/64 Charcoal

27/64 Normal

And anything not expressing a given trait is 66% het for it.

 

[pipatic]

thank you serp ,
think i understand

 

[Rachel]

Hey Pipatic,

have you tried Coast to Coast? They had some charcoals advertised a while ago (and they're pretty reputable so I'd assume they wouldn't fob you off with anery's!) Even if they didn't have any in stock, they'd probably be able to help you find what you're looking for...

 

[Darin Chappell]

"think i understand"

Is there anything about which you need some clarification? We'd be glad to help you more, if you need.

 

[pipatic]

hi darin,

just this bit when i play with the corn predictor ,never comes up like this so and so out of 64,

1/64 Bloodred Amel Charcoal

3/64 Bloodred Amel
3/64 Blizzard
3/64 Pewter

9/64 Bloodred
9/64 Amel
9/64 Charcoal

27/64 Normal

also out of the f1 ,i would need to keep all of the hatchlings,which out say 1 female blood and 1 blizzard could be 30 to 40 hatchlings to bred them back to each other

 

[pipatic]

hi rachel,
i am wery about what certain people over hear class there corns as ,
even some shops,but no harm checking the shop,thank you

 

[Darin Chappell]

Yeah, it can be a bit confusing at first. The predictor programs all use percentages, but if you do very many punnett squares to figure your own probabilities, you quickly find that percentages are sometimes tough to "see" in your mind's eye.

However, if you take that 1 and divide it by the 64, you get the same 1.5625% possibility for obtaining a triple homozygous animal from a pairing of triple heterozygous parents. So, it's not that difficult, once you get the hang of it.

As for the number of animals you would want to keep, I like to think in big numbers. So, if I had triple het animals, and I wanted to produce triple homo offspring, I know that I need to produce (statistically) at least 128 babies to produce two of them, and that is hoping that they would be a 1.1 pair!

128 babies comes out to about 13 clutches having the same genetic possibilities. Breeding all of the females to several males with the same genetics, means that I would want to hold back at least 15.15 of those triple het animals, if I wanted a real chance at getting what I desired!

Whew! That's a lot of normals to sift through! It's a lot easier to just start with double homozygous animals, or at least animals with compatable hets in the parent generation.

Have fun with your plans, however they work out for you!

 

[limey]

pip try ecorep.co.uk, philip is selling pewter males crossed with blood reds and pewters by snow - ive ordered 2 of them and as far as i know hes a very respectable dealer.

Assuming you get a couple of pewter by blood reds you should get a farily good chance of breeding some pewters in a few years, Failing that ring reptile plus in bournemouth i know they will have pewters this year (although the price is quite dramatic, i think they are asking 250!! epp!!!). Ive had a couple of hatchlings from there and my hypo motley hatchlin is the best eater i have ever had - i thinkk it would eat till it bursts

P.s congrates on your amel motleys that hatchling was breath taking

 

[pipatic]

hi limey
i spoke to phil,
but i think
pewter x snow babies will not produuce what i want...........//pewter ///

 

[Kat]

*Pssst* I found a place that'll sell pewters to people in the UK....

Kathy Love, who else?

-Kat

 

[pipatic]

thanks kat ,but it wouldn't be worth it to import a pair or so, because of all the red tape this side..
but thanks anyway,
i do have bloodreds,and blizzards,plus a pewter x ghost het to play with

 

[Marcel Poots]

I bought from Daniel two Bloodreds het Pewter (from different females). They might be big enough next year since they are closing in on 3' and filling out. I have 1 in 4 shot on Pewters. Yeah baby yeah.. But since I don't want to take any risk I probably keep them seperated for another year.

 

[pipatic]

well marcel ,if you or daniel (pewter)have some for sale this year or next, maybe we cud meet up,


pewter x ghost het which is nearly 3ft, poss try that to a bloodred to see what happens ??

 

[Marcel Poots]

If you are in Hamm next weekend you might pickup Pewter hets. I think Daniel has them again this year.

 

[pipatic]

will he have a stall/table under what name so to reckonise him ??