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Hypo plasma or fire plasma?

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proreptile

Proreptile
Hello
I got these guys out of a plasma hetero hypo x plasma . (picture taken wright out of the egg)
Or these guys are hypo plasmas, or it or fire plasmas ( if it should be the fact that the albino gene was sneeking in.. Allthough Rich never got albino effects his litters.
What do you guys think ? The eyes are actually darker then albino eyes.

Besides this, I also got lots of kinking, maybe better to do hetero x plasma next year.
 

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If the eyes are darker than albino eyes then it cannot be amel based - amel removes all black pigment, so the eyes of an amel based snake are as pale as you're getting.
 
Is the kinking linked to genetics, or your incubation temps?
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I don't know the circumstances of the OP's animals.. My opinion, is that kinking can and does happen in three ways..One being incubation, the other being an escape mode ( picking the hatchling up, its scared and tries to flee twisting its fairly fresh back bones, and third is genetic.. I suspect in most cases we are looking at the first two to happen a lot more often than genetic kinking, although I would not rule out the last eithier..

Regards. Tim of T and J
 
TandJ said:
I don't know the circumstances of the OP's animals.. My opinion, is that kinking can and does happen in three ways..One being incubation
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How can kinking be related to incubation ? Too high or to low temperature or start or end too high/low ? Too long time due to low temp ?
 
As far as I heard there must be a sensitive period on which the snakes spinal region is especially influenced by (too) warm conditions. That results in pattern variations (eg some "not genetic" aztecs) and, in worst cases, in spinal deformations -> perhaps some reason for kinking.

I'm sorry I don't have the paper ready :shrugs:
Perhaps it was on other captive bred snakes, but in 2007 I heard from 9 cases in cornsnakes just by the way looking in forums and the web, not actively searching, so I do think there is some kind of relation also in cornsnakes.

Real evidence would require some research and testing, bit who would willingly breed corns at "too" high temps to produce kinks, deformities or open spines? :nope:
 
Hello
I think kinking is mostly genetic.
If I get kinks, the lavender gene is mostly involved.
Somethimes I get perfect lavenders out of a clutch, and then an other one is just full of kinks.
I used some other males this year ( like lavender x plasma) and with these I got no kinks.
Also with bloodred x plasma, with so many babies, no kinks.
I think when you do lavender x lavender, with animals out of the same clutch, it's up to no good.
It cannot be the fact of themperature in my case, as other clutches just hatch out perfect.
Now I mostly do hetero x lavender breedings. For example normal hetero hypo lavender x hypo lavender, man , these hypo lavenders I hatch out of these are 2 times bigger then others, and VERY nice.
I think it is just in the genes.
I do not know what to think about the upper animals. I hatch out hypo lavenders just the same, with the same eyes as these. There is almost no difference in colour. I think I just have to keep them a few months and see how they devellop.
 
mveverest mentioned..

How can kinking be related to incubation ? Too high or to low temperature or start or end too high/low ? Too long time due to low temp ?
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Then Talinea answered it before I could read the thread with...

As far as I heard there must be a sensitive period on which the snakes spinal region is especially influenced by (too) warm conditions. That results in pattern variations (eg some "not genetic" aztecs) and, in worst cases, in spinal deformations -> perhaps some reason for kinking.
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I think kinking is mostly genetic.If I get kinks, the lavender gene is mostly involved.Somethimes I get perfect lavenders out of a clutch, and then an other one is just full of kinks.I used some other males this year ( like lavender x plasma) and with these I got no kinks.
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Probably a good idea.. If your getting kiny clutches from the same animals all the time, that is probably a good indicator that something is wrong in the genetic part in your group..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
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