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I want a neon blue California red-sided garter!

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But I can't seem to find good care guides for them. I can find lots of general information on substrate and humidity, food, and transitioning from fish to pinkie parts/whole pinks.

What I want to know is max adult size, what size of viv is needed, do they need under tank heat or basking heat, and anything else that might be helpful.

I found a garter group on Facebook but it's barely active. Same with a garter website with a forum. A few posts every few days. The facebook group hasn't answered any of my questions and it's been several days since I posted, so I was hoping there might be someone here that has experience with garters.

I've been searching the net a couple times a week for as much info as I can find, it just seems to be a lot of repeated information that tends to be non-specific.

Thanks!
 
Thamnophis.com may be worth a look.. They have a decent activity level on the forum. Not as active as here, but enough to get answers, usually. So it would be worth throwing up a post. Unfortunately their care sheet is a general sheet for garters. (The odd part is, I could swear they had species specific pages when I joined a few years ago, but they've vanished into the ether..)
 
SO DO I!!
But I don't think I can legally own them in Canada (or at least where I am in Ontario). :(
If you end up getting one, I'd love to see updates!
 
NH93 said:
SO DO I!!
But I don't think I can legally own them in Canada (or at least where I am in Ontario). :(
If you end up getting one, I'd love to see updates!
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I am seriously considering it. I just need to get vivs sorted. I'm going to get a big exo-terra this month as they are on sale at work, since the fire I got needs a good viv rather than a bin. Once that is taken care of, I can sort out a couple of three bins so get some other morphs I really like, and a neon blue red-sided, too :p
 
I love garters. Almost as much as I love boas, but not quite. Seriously though. They are great snakes. Some can be tricky eaters, and most have pretty foul musk... but totally worth it. One of the few diurnal species, making them entertaining to watch during the daytime hours unlike a lot of other snakes. Very very very curious and active buggers usually. They also have some of the simplest husbandry you can imagine. Seriously, you could keep them in a smallish glass viv at room temp and they'd thrive just fine. And lastly, they are one of the very very very few social species. And the only species I would ever condone cohabbing (as long as sexing was almost guaranteed, to prevent fights of dominance or unwanted babies).

None of that really answered your question on good sources of care information... so here is where I will second www.thamnophis.com as a decently active community and valuable source of information. It is my go-to garter community.
 
Funny this post was here, I was just on albinogartersnake.com and sent an email to reserve a neon blue red sided. I wanted an active and pretty snake for my 75 gallon in the living room. The corn in there now just hides all day, I love my corns, but for a display tank I want something that can actually be seen regularly. I'll be getting 3 garters all together, just deciding on the colors for the other two. Wish there was ians viv for garters
 
dreamwallaby said:
Funny this post was here, I was just on albinogartersnake.com and sent an email to reserve a neon blue red sided. I wanted an active and pretty snake for my 75 gallon in the living room. The corn in there now just hides all day, I love my corns, but for a display tank I want something that can actually be seen regularly. I'll be getting 3 garters all together, just deciding on the colors for the other two. Wish there was ians viv for garters
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Are you getting different cages for them, or keeping them together? I my understanding is correct, garters are some of the few snakes that do well housed together? I was looking at buying some one of these days.
 
Stacy I just reserved a pair of Lake Cuitzeo Garters from Scott myself, I also want to make a neat display cage for them :)
 
Here is pics. of the pair I have. They are from the "Neon Blue" line but as you can see have not quite developed all their colors.
These are feeding on TF peach fuzzy mice, so they still have alot of growing to do.

I got these basically for the same reasons, I REALLY love their colors and want to have a nice "display" tank for the house (which I have not set up yet)
I didn't get these for breeding, but figured if they do that would be great, however of they don't that's just fine as well.

The thing about them is they are very flighty, somewhat like Milksnakes, but I'm sure with ALOT of handling they would calm.
You will defianly almost always get musked when handling them. It's just part of owning a Garter.

As far as having to worry about the transition from feeder fish to pinky mice, unless you plan to produce babies yourself, you really don't have to worry about that.
Most breeders don't release them for sale until they have already made the transition.

Pic 1) Male
Pic 2) Female

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 

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Even without the full developed colors, those snakes are stunning! I was figuring they'd probably be muskers so I probably won't handle them as much as just enjoy watching them. When the kids or I feel the *itch* to handle a snake we have 35+corns to choose from, lol.
 
NH93 said:
SO DO I!!
But I don't think I can legally own them in Canada (or at least where I am in Ontario). :(
If you end up getting one, I'd love to see updates!
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I don't think California red-sided's are illegal anywhere in Canada, as they aren't a native species. I have a friend who has a pair in Winnipeg.
 
Beautiful snakes, Walter! I don't know the time frame for myself getting some, but I have coveted them since I saw a photo on facebook several months ago, around November maybe. I did some research then to see if they were real, so it was great finding out it was natural :D
 
Senusenu said:
Beautiful snakes, Walter! I don't know the time frame for myself getting some, but I have coveted them since I saw a photo on facebook several months ago, around November maybe. I did some research then to see if they were real, so it was great finding out it was natural :D
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Thank You.
I agree, these are one of the best natural colored snakes around !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
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