Inbreeding...

[jjsy]

hi, im just curious about inbreeding, is it really bad? can't you really breed mom-son or two siblings? thanks

 

[Nanci]

Here's a link to a discussion of inbreeding at VMS Herp.

http://www.vmsherp.com/LCInbreeding.htm

 

[jjsy]

thanks nanci

 

[JNugent]

Thanks for the link Nanci. Good read. I'm facing a similar sort of dilemma with my two hypo vanishing stripes. They are excellent examples of this morph, but sadly are brother/sister from the same clutch. I'd really love to produce some more but I'm gonna exhaust all options to source another one from somewhere else before I even consider putting them together. Unfortunately, these two came from the now defunct Eco Regional in California and I'm not sure what happened to all their stock when they went under.

 

[pgr8dnlvr]

Just a question, was Eco regional aka, Dewey and Dewey? I used to buy from them and can't remember their private sides name <I think Eco regional or something like that>.

Rebecca

 

[vetusvates]

Here's a link to a discussion of inbreeding at VMS Herp.

http://www.vmsherp.com/LCInbreeding.htm

Thank you, Nanci.

 

[JNugent]

Just a question, was Eco regional aka, Dewey and Dewey? I used to buy from them and can't remember their private sides name <I think Eco regional or something like that>.

Rebecca

I'm not real sure. I never actually got the snakes from them. I got them through a local breeder friend of mine who got them from Eco Regional a couple years ago. I never dealt with this company directly but I know a lot of people had issues with them involving some bad business practices and they went under shortly afterwards.

 

[danielle]

Thanks for the link Nanci. Good read. I'm facing a similar sort of dilemma with my two hypo vanishing stripes. They are excellent examples of this morph, but sadly are brother/sister from the same clutch. I'd really love to produce some more but I'm gonna exhaust all options to source another one from somewhere else before I even consider putting them together. Unfortunately, these two came from the now defunct Eco Regional in California and I'm not sure what happened to all their stock when they went under.

If the siblings had known unrelated parents there shouldn't be much of a problem honestly. Many many morphs and colorations in reptile breeding have resulted from linebreeding not to say there is never a risk of increased genetic defects as for example one parent carries a ressive gene for some defect not displaying the defect obviously. Should the two siblings both carry that resessive gene the next generation will display the defect. In that case obviously you would not ever breed these again or sell the offspring, but you would now know. I would breed them and get another of unrelated bloodlines for the when these where old enough to breed.

 

[KJUN]

Thanks for the link Nanci. Good read. I'm facing a similar sort of dilemma with my two hypo vanishing stripes. They are excellent examples of this morph, but sadly are brother/sister from the same clutch. I'd really love to produce some more but I'm gonna exhaust all options to source another one from somewhere else before I even consider putting them together. Unfortunately, these two came from the now defunct Eco Regional in California and I'm not sure what happened to all their stock when they went under.

Eco was flipping a lot, so you really don't know what stock that is related to. If you want to produce more vanishing stripes, breed them together. If you see p[roblems, don't do it again. I doubt you'll see problems, though, unless these are already weak animals from inbreeding depression. Outcrossing them may lose the look you are after....even if crossed to other (but unrelated) ones with similar patterns. What you may want to consider is buying an unrelated female (to make yours a trio) so that you can provide partially outcrossed PAIRS to your customers (one from the siblings and one off off the male with another female) so THEY get genetic diversity while losing less of the targetted look when they breed them together.

Anyway, I'd say breed them together and don't worry about it if you don't notice problems in the babies.
KJ

 

[JNugent]

Thanks KJ. Appreciate the info. These are two 07's I got from Shannon when he was clearing out some space at his house. Well, he gave me those two and 13 other snakes in the last two weeks. I guess in preparation for all the ones he was bringing out of brumation and getting ready to breed soon. Every time I see him he's asking if I've seen such and such a snake or if he should bring by a few to show me...lol. I keep having to tell my wife "just one or two more.."