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Introducing Amadeus.... input please?
- Thread starter MastersHaven
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Well, I'll just toss this out there...To me he seems to have a cubed look. Isn't cubed possibly (of definitely) related to motley and/or stripe? So, maybe it could be due to that. I don't know if cubes typically have plain or checkered bellies. Or maybe he isn't cubed at all, but to my eyes he seems like he might be....just me rambling. 
MastersHaven
*Hopelessly Addicted*
Thanks guys!
when I first pulled him out of the bag and seen the plain belly I was like "no way!"
I had to flip him over and check his pattern again... The first section looked motley then there were a few elongated spots and then the big blocky ones. I thought yeah, striped motley but the pattern wasn't consistant... then I stepped back to look at him again and noticed the kind of square saddles towards his mid/back sections...
I think I do agree... cubed would be my best guess....
One question now, sense motley/striping tends to effect the coloration do you think he is just an Amel Cubed or is he indeed a sunglow?
either way Amel = Amel And as with anything -- I guess breeding trials are in order.
LOL
Thanks again!
when I first pulled him out of the bag and seen the plain belly I was like "no way!"
I had to flip him over and check his pattern again... The first section looked motley then there were a few elongated spots and then the big blocky ones. I thought yeah, striped motley but the pattern wasn't consistant... then I stepped back to look at him again and noticed the kind of square saddles towards his mid/back sections...
I think I do agree... cubed would be my best guess....
One question now, sense motley/striping tends to effect the coloration do you think he is just an Amel Cubed or is he indeed a sunglow?
either way Amel = Amel And as with anything -- I guess breeding trials are in order.
LOL
Thanks again!
MastersHaven said:
That's a good question. I'm definitely no expert, but I would say that it is tough to say with the stripe/motley influence. It's kind of like trying to imagine what a sunglow stripe would look like since they all (or virtually all) pretty much have no white. To me he definitely seems to have no white showing. But like you said, I think breeding will probably be the best indicator.
Good luck with him! He looks like he'll make some nice little ones regardless.
SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
To me sunglow is just a name for (very bright) amels without any white. Regardless of the pattern. I do think that is the 'official' meaning too.... Yours is a cubed sunglow according to this!
Serpwidgets
New member
IMO it's a motley sunglow.
Whether or not he is a sunglow can be determined by looking at him. Is he a brightly colored amel with no dorsal white? If so, he's a sunglow. In order to be a sunglow, it doesn't have to come from sunglow parents or have any specific genotype other than being amelanistic.
As far as the pattern, it does look somewhat cubish, but I'm betting he's a motley (or motley/stripe) and not a stripe or cube.
Whether or not he is a sunglow can be determined by looking at him. Is he a brightly colored amel with no dorsal white? If so, he's a sunglow. In order to be a sunglow, it doesn't have to come from sunglow parents or have any specific genotype other than being amelanistic.
As far as the pattern, it does look somewhat cubish, but I'm betting he's a motley (or motley/stripe) and not a stripe or cube.
MastersHaven
*Hopelessly Addicted*
Hey Serp.
on that note, I have one question....
It is my understanding that some Sunglows are derived from Hypo lines, how is that possible?
What role does the Hypo have on the appearance of Sunglow and what is it's % of recurrence in the lines?
I hope that makes sense?!?!
:wavey:
on that note, I have one question....
It is my understanding that some Sunglows are derived from Hypo lines, how is that possible?
What role does the Hypo have on the appearance of Sunglow and what is it's % of recurrence in the lines?
I hope that makes sense?!?! :wavey:
Serpwidgets said:IMO it's a motley sunglow.
Whether or not he is a sunglow can be determined by looking at him. Is he a brightly colored amel with no dorsal white? If so, he's a sunglow. In order to be a sunglow, it doesn't have to come from sunglow parents or have any specific genotype other than being amelanistic.
As far as the pattern, it does look somewhat cubish, but I'm betting he's a motley (or motley/stripe) and not a stripe or cube.
MastersHaven
*Hopelessly Addicted*
I think it's just from the camera -- I dont see any discoloration when looking at him...
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abell82 said:
Serpwidgets
New member
I believe what happened is that some people decided to use hypos to start their sunglow lines because they offer a head start in reducing border size, and the goal in any "sunglow" project is obviously to get rid of the white on amels.MastersHaven said:Hey Serp.
on that note, I have one question....
It is my understanding that some Sunglows are derived from Hypo lines, how is that possible?
What role does the Hypo have on the appearance of Sunglow and what is it's % of recurrence in the lines?
:wavey:
I think that amels will have some influence from the hypo gene, because I believe that hypo does have an effect of slowing the migration of the normally black areas, thus making the white areas smaller on amels to some degree or other. It might not be enough that you can visually pick out amels from hypo amels in a clutch, but I think it does have some influence.
However, it's also possible to eliminate the white areas through selective breeding, or using the motley or other pattern genes that affect the borders, so the end result is that creating a no-white amel (which is the widely used definition of sunglow) does not require the presence of the hypo gene.
As far as how common hypo is within sunglow lines, I used the search on the ACR to see what's there so far.
There are 49 snakes with the "sunglow" box checked.
Of these:
· 24 are listed as homozygous motley.
· 3 are listed as motley/stripe.
· 6 are listed as homozygous stripe.
* 2 are not listed as homozygous amel (genotypes were not included in the registration for those snakes)
One is listed as het hypo, and none are listed as homozygous hypo. About 1 in every 7 ACR corns is listed as hypo, so there's a good possibility that a few of those 49 sunglows are homozygous hypo and the owner didn't know it or list it.
Also note:
There are 21 snakes listed as homozygous for amel and hypo. 18 of these are also anerythristic so they wouldn't be listed as sunglows anyway, but none of the three remaining amel hypos are listed as sunglows either. (One is an amel hypo motley, even.)
Meanwhile:
There are 136 amel motleys listed, with 24 listed as sunglow.
There are 15 amel motley/stripes listed, with 3 listed as sunglow.
There are 73 amel stripes listed, with 6 listed as sunglow.
It will be fun to see what kinds of trends show themselves over the next few years.
MastersHaven
*Hopelessly Addicted*
Thank You so much Serp!
You always explain things in a way that even my poor wandering mind can a make some sense out of it! :grin01:
:cheers:
You always explain things in a way that even my poor wandering mind can a make some sense out of it! :grin01:
:cheers: