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Is it possable?

magick-bears

magick-bears

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I was just wondering if it is possable to create an Anery Candy Cane. This came up when Shelley (my better half) suggested naming one of our new Amel Motleys Domino. I told her I would rather keep that name free for a black and white snake. The first thing I thought of was a Spotted Cal King. But she asked "what about an Anery Candy Cane?". Well that got my creative side going and I tried to recall if I had ever heard of this. I honestly don't think I have. I personally think that it is doable. It is also a morph that I would like to see. But since I don't like Anerys and we don't own any it is not a project I would take on with out some serious considerations.

Thanks,
~Jeff C.
 
It is possible but i think that it will take years and years of selective breading to get it to where i think that you want them to be.
 
I think Clint hatched a snow from some of his Orange Candy Canes, and he was selling off his collection so if you are interested in the project he might be a good person to ask.
 
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Carol I think magick-bears was talking about making a corn that has black saddles and a white background color.
 
Thanks Carol, I'll PM Clint and see if he still has them. Though, I have not yet decided if I am going to go ahead with a project such as this.

~Jeff C.
 
Billybobob said:
Carol I think magick-bears was talking about making a corn that has black saddles and a white background color.
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The reason Carol made that suggestion is that getting Anerys/Snows from Candy Cane lines and/or Candy Canes het for Anery would put this project closer to the desired results as the selective breeding to remove the background color (be it orange or silver) has already been achieved in the Amel version. Correct me if I am wrong Carol.

~Jeff C.
 
magick-bears said:
The reason Carol made that suggestion is that getting Anerys/Snows from Candy Cane lines and/or Candy Canes het for Anery would put this project closer to the desired results as the selective breeding to remove the background color (be it orange or silver) has already been achieved in the Amel version. Correct me if I am wrong Carol.
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The thing is in to get an anery with a white back ground you don't have to worry about the orange or reds in the back ground you have to worry about the greys, browns and blacks and starting with breeding stock from miami lines would be counter productive if you ask me. Anery removes reds and orange colors. I have thought about doing a project like this but changed my mind after thinking about how long it would take to get even close to what i would want. But that is just my opinion.
 
Billybobob said:
Carol I think magick-bears was talking about making a corn that has black saddles and a white background color.
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Well, his original inquiry was on an "Anery Candy Cane", and I told him where he might find one. ;) Candy Cane influence could help create this effect, it may not. You really can't say without testing. And if I was curious enough, I'd much rather start with an Anery out of a pure Candy Cane instead of starting from ground zero crossing an Anery to a Candy Cane. The only problem I foresee is that from pairing the two Candy Canes het Anery, you'll only ever get snows. You'll have to forgive me for not catching that earlier, this is my first sober day in over a week. ;)
It may be interesting to just cross one of those Candys with an Anery that has some pretty dark saddles, to see what comes of it. But that all depends on if your curiousity is strong enough to make room for another project. :)
 
magick-bears said:
This came up when Shelley (my better half) suggested naming one of our new Amel Motleys Domino. I told her I would rather keep that name free for a black and white snake.
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This is from magick-bears first post. Every thing else about an anery candycane was just his way of saying that he wanted an anery with a white background (at least I think that is what he meant) I could be wrong though.
 
This idea came up once sometime last year. I had to be the grand bubble burster for that one too...... The BIGGEST problem that you will have undertaking this project is that melanin starts to build up as the snake gets older. This means that you may achieve the desired effect that you want for a yearling, two-year old, three-year old, but in the end, to achieve the desired effect overall, you would have to keep many of the snakes until they are 8, 9, 10 years of age. This becomes a small problem when you look at trying to produce something soon. If, however, you are looking for a long-term project, I think this would be one of the best and most challenging to work with. I personally am not too interested in trying to start this project myself, but I am interested in seeing this project started by someone. I would love to see the anery gene (and the charcoal gene) have a few line-bred variations. I don't think they are "celebrated" enough personally.
 
Billybobob said:
This is from magick-bears first post. Every thing else about an anery candycane was just his way of saying that he wanted an anery with a white background (at least I think that is what he meant) I could be wrong though.
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Yes, he was talking about obtaining an Anery with a white background, possibly by using Miami/Candy Cane lines. I was just telling him where he could find a shortcut if he really wanted to experiment with whether or not Candy Cane lines would help.
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Sure it's possible. I think there are probably many snakes out there that are at least somewhat close to getting that look. My anery in person has black saddles and a light grey/silverish ground color---who knows what sort of kids she'll throw, but I'd love to be able to produce an 'Oreo' corn. :)
 
Thanks For all the input. Now I have to just decide if I really want to add another long term (7 to 10 years or longer) project to my 3 other long term projects. It is not so much the time factor. But rather the fact that I would be producing allot of animals (Anerys) that I don't particularly care for and, from what I have seen, don't seem to sell well. Don't get me wrong I'm not in this for the money, though I do like to break as close to even as possable. I also only have so much room to house and time to feed and prefer to do it with snakes I like to look at.

I'll let y'all know if I decide to go for it.

~Jeff C.
 
This idea has been floating around for years and I think I first heard the "oreo" idea in 2001 or 2002, but I'm not sure if anyone has ever seriously taken on that type of project. :shrugs:

I think they'd be cool. I wouldn't worry about what they look like as 8-10 year olds. ;)
 
I have thought about this project too, and I think I might start working on it. I don't really have any long term projects right now, so I guess this could be my first one. I already have a couple of Miamis so I should probably shop around for some Anerys with a the lightest ground color possible. Keeping babies around is not a problem for me. I have a hard time letting go of my hatchlings. I am not opposed to raising a couple of clutches to adulthood.
 
I personally don't have a long-term project yet, but I would like to start a "melanin" corn using anery and/or charcoal to try to create an all black cornsnake. I've been thinking about making this my first long-term project, but I've not currently got the room to work with it, and proving a pair of corns to be homo charcoal and anery at the same time would be hard, so I think I'd just have to do it with anery corns, though I think that the charcoal influence would help to minimize/eliminate the yellow pigments........... thoughts???
 
I have a Ghost that is highly suspected to be homo for both Anerys. She is actually very light and takes on more of a "Phantom" appearance. However, since she is a Hypo, I'm not sure if it's the fact that both Anerys are present that makes her lighter or if she just has strong Hypo influence.
 
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