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Jello Butt

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OK, now that I've got everyone's attention, lol...

I know a lot of people on here are anxiously awaiting their first breeding season this year. I thought this might be useful info for first-timers, not to mention giving them just one more thing to watch for. :D

When foaling out mares, when they got close to their delivery time, you can see the muscles over their rump relax and their spine start to stick out in preparation for birth. We always called this "jello butt" because if you tap on the muscles, they are soft and squidgy during that time.

(I've got a point here, honest.)

This same phenomenon occurs in snakes prior to laying. Their backbones start to become more prominant as the epaxial muscles relax (the muscles along the top of the spine). Since it's impossible to get a cross-sectional picture of my snakes, this little line drawing'll have to do.

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The pink denotes the bottoms of the ribs. Notice in ovulation and prelaying, that the belly scutes will actually bend and a portion is visible along the side. It appears that the belly line "dropped down a row".

We are familiar with the breadloaf appearance of a normal cornsnake. The belly should be relatively flat across from rib tip to rib tip. During ovulation and while carrying eggs, the cross-section rounds up, the belly bulges out and scutes become visible at the sides.

What I've noticed happens pretty much right at their pre-lay shed to perhaps a little before is that the muscles along the spine flatten out, giving them an almost bony appearance right before laying. (Far right drawing)

I tried to get some pictures of these two gals who should be laying this week. They show what I'm talking about in person, but I found it almost impossible to capture on digifilm.

This pewter is due any day now and is showing a very pronounced spine in person. Look towards the last third of her length, you can see the reflection off the ridge.

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Her swollen caudal third is more evident here with the stretching of her skin showing plenty of white between the scales. Note that she hasn't eaten in a month.

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This anery gal is probably a week from laying. The spine is less evident, but definitely more prominant than a normal corn. She's starting to get "jello back". You can see it towards the vent near where her head crosses her body. Sorry, I wish I could get this to show up better. :nope:

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Thank you so much! I knew about mares getting soft in the rear, but I didn't think about snakes showing similar signs.

I only have one female that I've bred this year and it's everybody's first try at it. I really appreciate that information. I do believe it will come in handy.
 
Another great post! I was actually just noticing that my girls that are nearing laying are looking "skinnier". Now I see why their spine is more apparent. Thanks, Connie!
 
Yep, they start to look emaciated and bloated...all at the same time, poor dears.

:noevil:

Don't tell them that, though, you'll hurt their feelings. Tell them they have "that special glow about them." :p
 
slightly off topic, how many times would a female snake lay a clutch, compaired to when a breeder pairs her up?
 
I noticed that my female looked like that last year. I was a little worried, but she went through everything fine. I'm just realizing that she's around 7 years old now. I got her from Don the last time he did a show in KC. I'll have to get some pics of her here shortly. Right now (unfortuantely) she's starting her shedding cycle :(. Oh well, I'll take a few tomorrow and a few after she sheds so I can do a compare/contrast thing.
 
This may appear to be :-offtopic, but bear with me.

Recently, there was a thread regarding what the ideal cleaner/disinfectant is to use in your viv/tank/shoebox. A great review of products followed, and someone commented towards the end of the thread as to how useful the thread (and obviously, the info contained therein) was - someone else suggested that a number of these "useful" threads be collected and categorized into a "newbie" forum section, readily available on the forum tree.

This thread would fit right into such a section. (See? I did have a point to make!)

GREAT info, Connie, even for those of us who won't be breeding their snakes until '06. :headbang:

regards,
jazz
 
Really helpful thread, thanks. I was a bit worried about what my female who is gravid at the moment was supposed to look like. Also I think that the newbie section would be a great idea :crazy02:
 
The spine showing before my female laid her eggs really freaked me out last year. She's a very small snake anyway so I was sure she was going to look like skin and bones once she laid the eggs. Surprisingly, though she was kind of skinny, she looked much better than I guessed she would.

Nice to know that this is a natural occurance.
 
As a follow-up....

Chuck just snapped a picture of the pewter gal with the eggs she laid today. She started in this morning when I was leaving for work and I haven't been home to see them yet, so I don't know how many. They look good though. Thought a follow-up picture of her right after laying would be a nice addition to the thread.
 

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Older thread, but how timely!

I know this thread is a couple of months old, but I figured it would be helpful to lots of people, particularly this time of year. My very gravid bloodred female went from plump to "jello butt" -- with a very pronounced spine -- in just two days, and she's non-stop circling the viv, almost ready to lay her clutch. If I hadn't been raising horses for several years and had seen the spine thing many times (including about three weeks ago), I would be freaking out myself!

Thanks so much for this excellent information, Connie.
 
gnarhimself said:
Awesome Info Connie,
Thank you so much,this is brilliant info,and just what i needed. :) :cheers:
Here you go folks! Proof of what doing a search can do for you! gnarhimself found exactly what he needed in a 2 year old thread. Too bad Connie isn't around here anymore to get her thanks.
 
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