Junglecorn ?

[Alphonzo]

I know a junglecorn is Lampropeltis getula californiae X Elaphe guttata guttata.

But how do you call a Lampropeltis getula nigra X Elaphe guttata guttata ?

Is this also a junglecorn?
and if not...is there another name for it?

Who can give me the answer?

 

[pinatamonkey]

Ehh...I'd just call it a Lampropeltis getula nigra X Elaphe guttata guttata hybrid... I wouldn't call them jungle corns, I think that would confuse people (also wouldn't make a new name - I think that would be even more confusing!) If you call them a black king x corn, at least it's very clear what went into the snake.

 

[Alphonzo]

OK, but when you give this hybrid an internationally accepted name, it's not confusing anymore.
Most colubrid-snake-keepers know that a Junglecorn = L.g.c. X E.g.g.
Easy!

Suppose... you call Lampropeltis getula nigra X Elaphe guttata guttata , for example a "Dark African Corn" (Dac) and everybody uses this name, than there is no confusion anymore. (African, because of the NIGRA part).

Lampropeltis getula holbrooki X Elaphe guttata guttata is called a "Forrestcorn" as I am well informed. No confusion I think.

What do you think?

 

[bmm]

no

No offense, but that would be more confusing than anything else.....the "dark african corn" part.

There is nothing African at all about that snake, as Lampropeltis getula nigra is a Black Kingsnake which lives in North America, so I think "Africa" anything would be more confusing.

Personally, I think all hybrids, cal-king/corn mixes or black king/corn mixes should not be called anything. They should be labeled as they are.
Black king/corn crosses should be sold and called black king/corn crosses.

bmm

 

[drizzt_19]

i agree

i agree with bmm on this. if they are a hybrid snake they should be labeled as such. ex: creamcicle corn is an elaphe guttata guttata x emoryi. the emoyi is technically not a corn snake IMHO although it is a rat snake. the same with the milksnake x corn. if they were labeld as such then you wouldnt have to worry about such funny names as the dark african corn or the forrest corn or the velvet corn(seen somewhere in this forum). it would be simpler and more straight forward. then the pet stores wouldnt be able to sell hybrids with fancy names and pretending they are exotic and therefore more expensive, and it would give reputable breeders a better chance at selling true corns..IMHO:!!

drizzt

 

[bmm]

yes!

I think it would be great. If you have say a Costal California King, and you mate this with a normal corn, wouldn't you rather see "Costal Cal-King X Cornsnake" even if the genes aren't compatible or whatever, its nicer than the bland and general "jungle corn"

Good informative labelling gives more info and I think thats whats inportant.

bmm

 

[Serpwidgets]

I disagree...

I don't make the same connection with "african" and "dark" and "NIGRA" but maybe that's just me... (Yes I know the word's actual technical meaning)

I also disagree... Sunglows should not be called, "amelanistic cornsnake with little or no white." Sunglow is more fun.

I enjoy the interesting names. As long as they somehow reflect the actual look or feel of the specimen or morph.

I think it's the responsibility of anyone interested in a hobby to learn whatever lingo that hobby may have. Personally, it is one of the things that is enjoyable about any particular hobby... people who are into sailing don't complain about the terms "port" and "starboard" and I really don't get why people have so much resistance to learning new things about different morphs and species and hybrids/intergrades.

I'm also into computers, and I love the acronyms.

WYSIWYG = What you see is what you get.
PCMCIA = People can't memorize computer industry acronyms.

Snows aren't the color of snow. So what, they're still snow corns, and face it, we all love them just the same and still call them snows.

 

[dartguy]

nicely put Serp

 

[pipatic]

i have always thought that the sunglow corn shud be in its own class ,as sunglow corn
and not look upon as just another amel imho

 

[Alphonzo]

The "african" and "nigra" were made up by a friend.

Africans are dark (black) and nigra means black.

That is how it was made up.

This discussion will never end, I guess.

 

[kenalotia]

Yeah, African people tend to be dark... African snakes are variously colored. There are lots of dark things you could name the snake after that wouldn't cause the confusion of calling it African. The word "African" means of or from Africa. Black king snakes and corn snakes are both from North America, so calling the hybrid "African" would be quite misleading. Anyway, there are lots of other black things... the night sky, for example.

 

[Fatsie]

I should have guessed you would bring this up here Alphonzo

 

[Alphonzo]

The "african" and "nigra" were made up by a friend.

Africans are dark (black) and nigra means black.

That is how it was made up.

This discussion will never end, I guess.

Yeah, I can follow this. I think the name Dark African Corn was more or less a joke. Cannot explain this here.

But more important is the question: Should a hybrid like this get a name that can be used all over the world? Like the name Junglecorn.

 

[Alphonzo]

I should have guessed you would bring this up here Alphonzo

Hey Fatsie,

yeah...crossing borders is a good thing for Reptilelovers.

 

[Alphonzo]

Here's a picture of the snake in question.

 

[Snake_Plissken]

Hi to all!
I've had several problems with my Windows Explorer. The opening or saving a file through several software is not working fast or sometimes not at all. Also the opening of big files (over 200mb) especially .exe files from the explorer freezes the whole explorer. For example: I want to download a file in Firefox from a web page. I click on the file ( coolfile.txt ) with my right mouse button and select "Save as..." then I choose the saving location, which takes a long time just to wonder around in my directories. I've found the place where to save the coolfile.txt. I click on "Save". After releasing the mouse button whole Firefox freezes.

I am in a big need of help! If you know something about this please tell me!

Windows XP Home: SP2
Firefox 2.0.0.6

WTF? Am I missing something? Did the universe intersect at cornsnake forums and tech support?

:-offtopic

 

[Velvet]

I honestly think that most black people would be very offended...lol

PS: I'm an "African" and I'm white, I was born in South Africa, my parents and their parents etc were born here! lol

 

[bitsy]

Don'ty worry Velvet, the original thread is nearly six years old and back then, was allowed to die the death it so richly deserved.

Shame it's been resurrected by a random post, but I suggest we do the same to it now.