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Lavender

nmoore601

nmoore601

Cloud 9 Corns
I wanted to know if anybody on here that breeds and raises lavenders or lavender morphs. Do you experience kinked hatchlings?

Does anyone see a lot of abnormal patterns in there lavenders?
 
nmoore601 said:
I wanted to know if anybody on here that breeds and raises lavenders or lavender morphs. Do you experience kinked hatchlings?

Does anyone see a lot of abnormal patterns in there lavenders?
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I've never had any problems like that with any lavenders, hypo lavenders, lavender ghosts, or anything else out of their particular clutches that I've produced thus far.


~Doug
 
I have only seen a few kinked hatchling from lavender breedings. Not saying it's lavender. Could be spikes in temps during incubation, or any number of things. I would say 90% of my lavender group have abnormal patterns. I do get Aztec or zig zag a lot more frequent from lavender breedings. Just wondering what others experienced.

Who discovered lavender? I have read lavender is a form of anery or T+ amel.
 
nmoore601 said:
I have only seen a few kinked hatchling from lavender breedings. Not saying it's lavender. Could be spikes in temps during incubation, or any number of things. I would say 90% of my lavender group have abnormal patterns. I do get Aztec or zig zag a lot more frequent from lavender breedings. Just wondering what others experienced.

Who discovered lavender? I have read lavender is a form of anery or T+ amel.
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Yes, temp spikes would be my first concern too, but of course it isn't necessarily the case. Most of my lavender stuff tend to be very normal and typically patterned, although out of a bunch, I'd see a few partial zigs and zags once in a while.

Yes, lavender seems to be an anery-based mutation of sorts. Lavender in other snakes like Cal. kings, etc..is a t-plus albino gene (T-pos.), but "lavender" in corns is not the same thing.

Here is one of the versions of their origin as told by another old-time poster on another forum I know. I'm sure Rich's personal story is no doubt floating around here somewhere too.

Lavender cornsnake History:

Aztecs....started by John Albrecht in Baltimore , MD...which you all know, or should, is the town of corn legend Rich Zuchowski....John would get strangely patterned corns from Rich and work on creating a complete pattern ,aka make a zigzag corn...same time Kathy Love was creating Zigzags...same thing only different.....John had some corns that were screaming for the time period....one female was an Aztecy looking female with a reverse okeetee coloration to her...sweet...he wouldn't sell her to me...he promised her to "Dan".......John had some normal aztec looking stuff...and bred these to make amels and normals...turnes out he had some from Zuchowski's new "Mocha" line...a single Mocha female existed at the time....John ended up with hets unknowingly...before we knew it was genetic....so...

John bred for zigzags....and got some cool stuff...normals,amels, and 3 weirdly brown snakes....???...connection was made by me to come buy some snakes...he tealls me about these brown things....asks if I wanted them?....uuuuuugh....yea...ok...surely!!!(what fun stuff huh this was)....went and ended up getting the 3 brown things....which ended up being named lavender by Tim Rainwater a few years later.....Lavender stuck...people liked that name...the term cocoa I used was dumped as well as mocha....I made lavs in 2 years...first time on a table!...cocoa corns...Hamburg...noone cared at all....no sale...another stupid brown snake they said...(yes a woman actually said ""OH look, another brown snakes""(almost as bad as ball pythons "another white snake"...so...I didn't make any the next year....Tim started Lav name...$400 each was obtained and I didn't make any that year.....figures...couldn't sell a new morph for $50 in Pa........so......so...I ended up making white opals and pink opals...no patterns....and selling one of each to Rich, who was in Florida now.....and then obtaining a bunch of "aztecs" from Dan,,,they had better ,consistant patterns than mine,some with full stripes and all....and selling the bst of the bst to Rich also.......

so.....Rich named them Aztecs....(they look like Aztec writings )
Rich named the opals....and Tim started the term lavender....

so this is why aztecs are all started with amel and lavender hets ,and possible hets.....all by chance....

all this started with animals from Rich (aztec,lavender,opal)....and the lav lines all started with one female 'brown' snake...from a single surviving egg....from a clutch , from a female...caught under a bridge.......
 
It may be pure coincidence, but I do tend to see more lavenders with oddball patterns than any other morph. I don't work with the morph though, so take it as you will.
 
My baby Omnom is a lavender, and is kinked pretty much from head to tail. He has an obvious neck kink and when I hold him and let him slide through my fingers I can feel kinks along his spine also. He seems to be ok, voracious little eater and has quite the 'tude so I'm not too worried about him at this point. I think I've posted a thread on here about him, and I want to say someone mentioned lavenders being more prone to kinks also.
 
I only knew one person who had a clutch of lavenders, with the male I gave him, and all the babies were kinked. I doubt it was incubation error, but anything is possible. I think he will be using a different female next time he breeds him.
 
Dmong thanks for the story, that was a really good story. I wish I could get some info like that on other morphs. I thought it was awesome.
 
nmoore601 said:
Dmong thanks for the story, that was a really good story. I wish I could get some info like that on other morphs. I thought it was awesome.
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You're very welcome!

I know exactly what you mean. Many just appear out of the clear blue on a table and nobody knows anything about how they originated at all, or who first produced them, etc....This happens fairly often with bogus imposter stuff as you might imagine too.



cheers, ~Doug
 
If this is a genetic thing (or even simple recessive) it would be very interesting to look at. It would also mean it's possible to eliminate the gene from breedings :)
 
I've heard that Lavender gene tends to be more prone to kinking. I have seen a higher number of Lavenders that have kinks as well.

I have not produced any, myself. But I do believe that there is something going on, whether it be the Lavender gene itself, or maybe a particular line of Lavenders.
 
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