Need some help IDing these hatchlings, GD Mot x GD het. Mot

[SquamishSerpents]

I bred my Goldust Hurricane Motley (Female) x Goldust het. Motley (Male) Here are the predicted results of the clutch:

12.50% Butter (het. Motley)
25.00% Golddust (het. Motley)
12.50% Butter, Motley
25.00% Golddust, Motley
12.50% Ultra, Caramel (het. Motley)
12.50% Ultra, Caramel, Motley

But I am still unsure what to label these babies as, it's a tough call as I've never hatched anything Ultra, NOT motley. I know that motley can reduce dark coloration sometimes. So I need some help! Here are the babies (and my guesses)

1. Ultra Caramel Pinstripe Motley??

2. Goldust Motley??

3. Ultra Caramel het. Motley??

4. Goldust het. Motley?? (Tough call on this one, I believe it was in shed)

 

[SquamishSerpents]

5. Goldust het. Motley

6. Goldust Pinstripe Motley??

7. Goldust Motley (partial Pin?)

 

[SquamishSerpents]

For reference, here is the Goldust parents as babies, and again as adults:

Goldust Hurricane Motley Female - Baby

Goldust Hurricane Motley Female - Adult

Goldust het. Motley Male - Baby

Goldust het. Motley Male - Adult

 

[Susan]

The ultra caramel motleys should be the darkest ones (#2 and #5 are the best bets), but there will be some difficulty identifying the light ultras from the dark ultramels without test breeding.

 

[SquamishSerpents]

Hmmm for some reason I thought the Goldusts would be darker! I figured the ones with the light, almost grey looking saddle outlines would be the ultras. So hard to ID them from other people's photos, as everybody has different cameras and settings, sometimes they look way different than in real life.

They're pretty much all ready to go and I'd like to list them for sale, but there's still the issue of WHAT are they?

 

[bitsy]

I had a mixed batch from a Golddust het Mot x Golddust het Mot pairing once. I'm afraid I absolutely couldn't tell Golddusts from Ultra Caramels and the motley element muddied the waters even further with its lightening effect. After enquiries here, I ended up selling them as "Golddust *or* Ultra Caramel", giving the parents' genetics. I believe one pair went to a local breeder who's been trying to figure it out with breeding trials for the last couple of years!

I never did that pairing again. From that point on it was Golddust x Butter all the way...

 

[Susan]

Ultramels, almost by definition, will look in phenotype somewhere between amels and ultras, or in your case, the golddust motleys will look between butter motleys and ultra caramel motleys. But again, where do you make that cut-off? The really light ones, call them golddusts and the really dark ones suspect ultra caramel. Those in the middle, "golddust OR ultra caramel".