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hoppadoodle12

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Hey, just bought a new corn

He's a motley stripe, but has been classfied in the store as a 'motley cubed stripe' or Jerry Cole corn...

Just wondering, I have a female ghost, with unknown hets... How would I work out the potential outcomes of mating the two? what traits dominate others? ive tried www.corncalc.com and it said that they'd all come out phenotype of Normal, but be het for anery, hypo, motley and stripe... is that right?

Thanks
 
That sounds right...the relationship between motleys, stripes...and cubes I think also is a bit more complicated as to how each relates in their dominance over each other...hopefully some other other keepers who work with them can chime in...pic's?

A "Jerry Cole" sounds like it may be the breeders name...???...if not thats the most creative name I've heard of in a while...you silly Brits ;)
 
Motley and stripe exist in the same location, so you can either have homozygous motley, het motley/het stripe, or homozygous stripe. A het motley/het stripe can look like a normal motley all the way to a pinstripe. But then again, a normal motley can also form a pinstripe so that's not a marker. Motley is technically 'dominant' to stripe.
 
Aha yeah, i thought it was a bit odd.. but the shop keeper said 'oh I've got a great jerry cole corn in!' so maybe he invented it!.. I'm currently pretending to write an essay, but when I get home I'll post up some pics of him... also, hes a fair bit bigger than her at the moment, so I offered them separate hides but he just keeps on going in a laying on top of her. She's way too young to be mating so I dont think its that, maybe its the warmth.. but I'm a bit scared he may crush her...
 
DON'T COHAB! GAH! Female corns HAVE become gravid as early as 18 months. Physiologically, they are not well prepared for it and can potentially have an increased chance for severe complications that *can* be fatal.

Corn snakes are NOT social. The "snuggling" is competitive for the best area.
 
You will get severa replies to tell you to separate them. They should be housed in separate tanks, *especially* if there is a size difference. The bigger one could ned up eating the little one. Even at the same size, one could eat the other one. Do a search on "cohabbing snakes". It's not worth the risk.
 
So do you think im looking at a bunch of normals in the clutch? will they all be het for anery, motley, stripe and hypo? or will there be a mix 'n' match of het-ness?
 
Another important thing with brining in a new snake, is be sure to quarantine it, in case it has parasites, or mites, or something. If the new corn is sick in any way, you are exposing your other snake to the same thing & you would end up with two sick snakes.
 
If it were me, I would house them separately. The larger snake could eat the smaller snake. The female could mate too early, causing health problems or even death. You also won't know which snake is sick or regurging or anything like that.

In the meantime you can read up on breeding and go for it once you are prepared and they are both big and healthy and ready. :)
 
hoppadoodle12 said:
ive tried www.corncalc.com and it said that they'd all come out phenotype of Normal, but be het for anery, hypo, motley and stripe... is that right?
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Correct with one exception ... Unless the Ghost female turns out to be het Motley, or het Stripe, the hatchlings will be either het Stripe, or het Motley, but not both.
A Motley Stripe is, actually, het for Motley and het for Stripe (though it will show a Motley pattern in one form or another).
Since Stripe, and Motley, are located at the same locus ... only one, from that pair of genes, will be passed on to the hatchlings.
Cube is a form of Stripe (genetically a Stripe but with a specific look).
So, without taking unknown hets into account (and only going by what we do know of with your new snake and Ghost female),... and assuming the store is correct about what your new snake is ... the hatchlings will be:
Normal 100% het Anery, Hypo, and Motley ~or~ Stripe.
 
All sorted, in a panic i scattered home on the bus (it was a slow bus, very frustrating) fortunately, tango was not in a canibalistic kinda mood (this time) he has now been securely and comfortably re-located into a plastic tub. I shall be heading on out to the pet store to get a new viv and give the guy a slap for the bad advice! thanks guys for helping out an enthusiastic novice!
 
hoppadoodle12 said:
So do you think im looking at a bunch of normals in the clutch? will they all be het for anery, motley, stripe and hypo? or will there be a mix 'n' match of het-ness?
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yes, as long as they didnt have a "het"(not visual, just carrying the gene for) the other also has they would be normal appearing...being het for, stripe,motley,hypo, and anery...if one did infact be het to a gene the other is either het for or visual for, you would get visual morphs in the clutch.
 
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