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North GA Wild female
- Thread starter Horridus
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Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
Wow!
That animal looks very "melanistic," doesn't it? Is that a typical specimen in northern GA?
That animal looks very "melanistic," doesn't it? Is that a typical specimen in northern GA?
Richbreaks
New member
very nice i love seeing corns in the wild especially unique ones like that what is this snakes story? did you just find it and take some pictures and send it on his/her way or is it something you cant talk about for GA legal reasons
Horridus
Pantherophis my a**
Darin,
It isn't really easy to call any cornsnake in northern GA typical.
They are some of the most variable animals in the state. I have seen animals with tan, silver, blue grey, dark (like this animal) grey...almost charcoal, faded orange, and red backgrounds and blotch color can be just as variable. Some of the animals from the foothills near the border look like the prettiest alterna (in my opinion anyway) with a blue grey background and deep red blotches (I always seem to find these gems DOR though) and haven't found a screamer example in years, at least since I started photographing everything. If people only knew what types of corns are here in GA they would see that the famed Jasper Co. SC "Okeetees" aren't singular in thier beauty, There are animals down near the coast that look like the best Okeetee you can imagine, with a WHITE border around the black border! Too bad it would be illegal to start groups of locality animals from this backwards state. By the way this animal was found just a couple of miles down the road from the animal in the DOR photo (in the field observation forum) which I won't post here because not everyone wants to see DOR photos but it gives you an idea of how much these guys can vary.
Glad you liked the photo
Horridus
It isn't really easy to call any cornsnake in northern GA typical.
They are some of the most variable animals in the state. I have seen animals with tan, silver, blue grey, dark (like this animal) grey...almost charcoal, faded orange, and red backgrounds and blotch color can be just as variable. Some of the animals from the foothills near the border look like the prettiest alterna (in my opinion anyway) with a blue grey background and deep red blotches (I always seem to find these gems DOR though) and haven't found a screamer example in years, at least since I started photographing everything. If people only knew what types of corns are here in GA they would see that the famed Jasper Co. SC "Okeetees" aren't singular in thier beauty, There are animals down near the coast that look like the best Okeetee you can imagine, with a WHITE border around the black border! Too bad it would be illegal to start groups of locality animals from this backwards state. By the way this animal was found just a couple of miles down the road from the animal in the DOR photo (in the field observation forum) which I won't post here because not everyone wants to see DOR photos but it gives you an idea of how much these guys can vary.
Glad you liked the photo
Horridus
Horridus
Pantherophis my a**
Richbreaks,
Found her under a wooden sign, next to a dock manufacturing business along a road where I commonly find DORs. No secrets really, just didn't bring her home (it would have been illegal) However, when the people do get around to cleaning up those boards, I have little doubt they will kill her if they get a chance. It's a moral dilemma, but believe me, GA DNR does not care about how well your animals are cared for or your "noble intentions" when taking native non venomous snakes that are destined for displacement/death due to human encroachment. Of course, on thier behalf, it isn't thier job to use discretion. It's a law (no matter how useless and unneccessary) and if you choose to break it, there are consequences......they aren't that bad though ;-)
Horridus
Found her under a wooden sign, next to a dock manufacturing business along a road where I commonly find DORs. No secrets really, just didn't bring her home (it would have been illegal) However, when the people do get around to cleaning up those boards, I have little doubt they will kill her if they get a chance. It's a moral dilemma, but believe me, GA DNR does not care about how well your animals are cared for or your "noble intentions" when taking native non venomous snakes that are destined for displacement/death due to human encroachment. Of course, on thier behalf, it isn't thier job to use discretion. It's a law (no matter how useless and unneccessary) and if you choose to break it, there are consequences......they aren't that bad though ;-)
Horridus
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
For what it's worth
I'd have no qualms about relocating snakes from a consruction site. In fact, I do it all the time, venomous or not (although I do leave timber rattler's as I THINK they are den-specific around here). I've been pulled with snakes in my truck in Georgia and NC and never had the officer be more curious than looking in the container to be sure it wasn't full of something else (I don't know, crystal meth or explosivies?
) so I'd bet the only threat would be the DNR, who don't regularly stop vehicles.
Anyway, that is indeed an interesting corn. In the piedmonts of NC where I grew up I couldn't believe many of the corns there were the same kind of snake. I'd often bring one home to my Dad certain that I'd caught something new. Some areas are just more diverse like that. Not that every Okeetee or Miami looks like their namesake, but you seldom see them that vary THAT much. Hopefully the Georgia laws will relax some. Until then I will knowingly and willfully break the law.
I'd have no qualms about relocating snakes from a consruction site. In fact, I do it all the time, venomous or not (although I do leave timber rattler's as I THINK they are den-specific around here). I've been pulled with snakes in my truck in Georgia and NC and never had the officer be more curious than looking in the container to be sure it wasn't full of something else (I don't know, crystal meth or explosivies?
) so I'd bet the only threat would be the DNR, who don't regularly stop vehicles. Anyway, that is indeed an interesting corn. In the piedmonts of NC where I grew up I couldn't believe many of the corns there were the same kind of snake. I'd often bring one home to my Dad certain that I'd caught something new. Some areas are just more diverse like that. Not that every Okeetee or Miami looks like their namesake, but you seldom see them that vary THAT much. Hopefully the Georgia laws will relax some. Until then I will knowingly and willfully break the law.
John Albrecht
New member
I'd have moved her
I used to live in Savannah and I never met an officer of any kind that would bother you for collecting a cornsnake.
I can vouch for your statement regarding the beauty of animals from Georgia. Animals from around Savannah were often as beautiful or more so than Okeetees. Lots of yellow with nice strong borders.
I love those dark ones though. That is exactly what I have been looking for and all I find are these lousy bright orange and yellow ones. lol. I would have paid for that animal.
I used to live in Savannah and I never met an officer of any kind that would bother you for collecting a cornsnake.
I can vouch for your statement regarding the beauty of animals from Georgia. Animals from around Savannah were often as beautiful or more so than Okeetees. Lots of yellow with nice strong borders.
I love those dark ones though. That is exactly what I have been looking for and all I find are these lousy bright orange and yellow ones. lol. I would have paid for that animal.
Taceas
USW = UB313
I agree with John and Elrojo..
I would have moved her as well, laws or no laws. What they don't know, won't hurt them. As long as you're not collecting to keep, I don't see the problem with relocation at all.
Here in Indiana, while it's not illegal that I know of to possess a native species of reptile thats not endangered, I relocate common non-venomous species of reptiles quite frequently during the summer months. So far this year, I've rescued 7 black rat snakes and 4 garters, ranging from 5-6ft adults to hatchlings, and relocated them to my 12 acre property in the country. Most of them were found on the road or streets in town. One I rescued from certain death as I saw a woman beating something in her yard with a broom. She definately gave me a stray look as I asked her politely to let me have the snake. =P
So law or no law, I would have moved it at least a couple of miles, away from possible death. But there's no crying over spilt beer I suppose.
Anyway, great pictures. I agree with Henifer, we don't have anything near that beautiful here in Indiana. Treasure it while they're around. =)
I would have moved her as well, laws or no laws. What they don't know, won't hurt them. As long as you're not collecting to keep, I don't see the problem with relocation at all.
Here in Indiana, while it's not illegal that I know of to possess a native species of reptile thats not endangered, I relocate common non-venomous species of reptiles quite frequently during the summer months. So far this year, I've rescued 7 black rat snakes and 4 garters, ranging from 5-6ft adults to hatchlings, and relocated them to my 12 acre property in the country. Most of them were found on the road or streets in town. One I rescued from certain death as I saw a woman beating something in her yard with a broom. She definately gave me a stray look as I asked her politely to let me have the snake. =P
So law or no law, I would have moved it at least a couple of miles, away from possible death. But there's no crying over spilt beer I suppose.
Anyway, great pictures. I agree with Henifer, we don't have anything near that beautiful here in Indiana. Treasure it while they're around. =)
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
For what it's worth (next to nothing! ), I would have left her there too. I'm sorry, but the law is the law, in my estimation. If it needs to be changed, I'll fight to do so, but I can't just break it because I think it's poorly conceived, written, and/or executed.
JMHO
), I would have left her there too. I'm sorry, but the law is the law, in my estimation. If it needs to be changed, I'll fight to do so, but I can't just break it because I think it's poorly conceived, written, and/or executed.JMHO
Taceas
USW = UB313
Good view..
Each of us have our own take on the law, even me, graduate with honours with a degree in law enforcement. =P
But Darin, do you ever exceed the speed-limit?
I know over there you all have the blessed ability to go 70 legally, but on I-70..you can get away with quite a bit.
Sorry, just really bored tonight mostly. =P I'll crawl back under my rock for the night.
Each of us have our own take on the law, even me, graduate with honours with a degree in law enforcement. =P
But Darin, do you ever exceed the speed-limit?
I know over there you all have the blessed ability to go 70 legally, but on I-70..you can get away with quite a bit.
Sorry, just really bored tonight mostly. =P I'll crawl back under my rock for the night.
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
Taceas,
Yes, I do occassionally break the speed limit, but it is because I was not paying attention to what I was doing, and I reduce my speed as soon as I catch myself. On the highway, I always use the speed control, but I try to use it on the throughways in town where I live as well. I do this BECAUSE I know I have a lead foot, and I want to be proactive in trying to keep myself within the limits of the law.
I don't say that be "holier than thou." It's just a part of my ethic and philosophy. I do my dead-level best to never knowingly break the law of the land, no matter how much I disagree with it (like most posted speed limits!). I'm certainly not perfect in my adherance to the laws of the land, but I try to be as close to it as I possibly can.
Yes, I do occassionally break the speed limit, but it is because I was not paying attention to what I was doing, and I reduce my speed as soon as I catch myself. On the highway, I always use the speed control, but I try to use it on the throughways in town where I live as well. I do this BECAUSE I know I have a lead foot, and I want to be proactive in trying to keep myself within the limits of the law.
I don't say that be "holier than thou." It's just a part of my ethic and philosophy. I do my dead-level best to never knowingly break the law of the land, no matter how much I disagree with it (like most posted speed limits!). I'm certainly not perfect in my adherance to the laws of the land, but I try to be as close to it as I possibly can.
Horridus
Pantherophis my a**
What became of subtlety?
;-)
Don't worry people. That cornsnake is fine.....'nuff said!
**Wink Wink Nudge Nudge**
Amazingly I saw her crawling away from me later that day in a local abondoned chickenhouse whose owners are snake friendly
amazing that she crawled that far on her own.....
Horridus
;-)
Don't worry people. That cornsnake is fine.....'nuff said!
**Wink Wink Nudge Nudge**
Amazingly I saw her crawling away from me later that day in a local abondoned chickenhouse whose owners are snake friendly
amazing that she crawled that far on her own.....
Horridus