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"Patternless Corns"

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Chondro788

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Hello,
I am new here, and new to cornsnakes in general. I have bred many pythons and boas, but just recently began breeding corns as well. Anyways, below are a couple of my favorite corns, and I actually don't know much about them. They were sold to me as amel patternless corns, het for snow, and sunspot. I loved the pattern, or lack there of, so I had to have them. Anyways, can anyone tell me more about the patternless morph? Also, any info on the sunspot morph would be appreciated as well. :)

Jason
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Hello and Welcome! Nice looking snakes. I am not sure exactly what they are but It looks like they are striped.
 
Those two look like Amel vanishing stripes to me, i like them. As for the Sunspots, well they apparently come from vanishing stripe lines. You may get more info about them from Jeff Rischer at halloffamereptiles. As of yet i don't think they are proven but i'll be trying next year when i put a male offspring back to my female Sunspot 'Rubix'......
Here's a pic of her to show you what they look like... :)
 

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Yep, a variation of a stripe. Sometimes called a vanishing stripe or patternless because the striping fades fairly quickly. We have a male that looks something like that first one you posted. The het for snow, just means that they is het for anery and if paired with another snake also het/homo anery and amel, then you can produce some snows.

I'm not sure what a sunspot corn is, the closest morph that comes to mind is a sunglow which happens to be a line bred look that produces bright orange and yellows - typically motleys and stripes - though there are a handful of normals sunglows as well.

Great looking snakes though!

Jenn
 
As us old timers call them . Low grade stripes those are the ones that nobody wanted years ago. It is still a stripe and candy cane is a amel miami
 
Thanks for the info guys! I talked with someone who had some baby "sunspots" at the Indy show just last sunday, and he says it has been proven to reproduce, but is just a variation in the stripe line. Whatever it is I am excited to see what they produce next summer. I have a trio so we shall see.

Jason
 
Hi, welcome to the site!

Very interesting. I've heard of work that is being done toward completely patternless snakes so it's interesting to see these guys since i've never seen such quick vanishing in a vanishing stripe.

What do you mean "proven to reproduce"? Are you just saying that 2 of the sunspots bred together will creat more sunspots? That is, your NOT saying that it is proven resesive or codominant, as the case may be?
 
Vinny rattled off the following..

As us old timers call them . Low grade stripes those are the ones that nobody wanted years ago.
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Good thing I'm not an old timer.. The vanishing stripes are cool looking to say the least.. Yes, I totally agree that your animal is a vanishing stripe.. Nice one at that, IMHO anyways..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
TandJ said:
Vinny rattled off the following..



Good thing I'm not an old timer.. The vanishing stripes are cool looking to say the least.. Yes, I totally agree that your animal is a vanishing stripe.. Nice one at that, IMHO anyways..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Why you were able to get them real cheap. Years ago I hatched one that was striped only about a inch or so from the head down. I sold it to the pet store
 
Dang it Vinny.. You could have gave it to me.. *lol* Times have changed a bit and we are seeing an intrest in patternless or reduced striped corns.. You do know I was being tounge and check right? *lol*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Sorry I did not take it like that .but I didnot take it in a bad way either. If I hatch any this year I'll let you know but there is a slim chance because I been trying to bred my stripes to be compleat stripes . It is hard to get a good compleat stripe
 
blckkat said:
The "Sunspots" look like Cubed to me...
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Yes, they do look like a variation of cubed.

tbtusk said:
What do you mean "proven to reproduce"? Are you just saying that 2 of the sunspots bred together will creat more sunspots? That is, your NOT saying that it is proven resesive or codominant, as the case may be?
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As Jason said, I would think that sunspots act like cubed and are strictly a variation of the striped gene. Very similar to the striped and hurricane motleys. You could breed 2 sunspots (genetically homozygous stripe) together and they will produce 100% homozygous stripe offspring. However, you may get some sunspot, some cubed, some vanishing stripe and some "regular" stripe offspring in the same clutch. You have a better chance of getting sunspots (line bred variation statistics), but the other variations are a definite possibility.
 
Susan said:
Yes, they do look like a variation of cubed.



As Jason said, I would think that sunspots act like cubed and are strictly a variation of the striped gene. Very similar to the striped and hurricane motleys. You could breed 2 sunspots (genetically homozygous stripe) together and they will produce 100% homozygous stripe offspring. However, you may get some sunspot, some cubed, some vanishing stripe and some "regular" stripe offspring in the same clutch. You have a better chance of getting sunspots (line bred variation statistics), but the other variations are a definite possibility.
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100% right Susan, patternless is just a trait with in the mutation. Now why would anybody want to breed for inferior stripes when you can get the same look from a bloodred stripe. As bloodred stripes grow they lose the pattern, some you can barely make out the pattern and some you cant make out any pattern at all. The only time you will see the pattern is when animals with a low saturation of color are used.
 
Interesting point Vin, but I think it will be fun to see how the babies look and see if I can get some with very little to no pattern at all. Just as it is hard to get a good complete stripe, I think it will be just as hard to get one with little to no striping at all.

And yes, Susan said exactly what I meant! :cheers:
 
Chondro788 said:
Interesting point Vin, but I think it will be fun to see how the babies look and see if I can get some with very little to no pattern at all. Just as it is hard to get a good complete stripe, I think it will be just as hard to get one with little to no striping at all.

And yes, Susan said exactly what I meant! :cheers:
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Just a jester, not telling you what to do, just giving you 20 + years of breeding exp. Since you want to put in so much energy into a project , When you can just get a striped blood ( believe me you I was one of the first people to work with them ) . Why not consentrate on a Miami & candy cane and crimson stripes. You can get good money for them if you can refine the strain and you can have patternless and full striped. I only say this because you animal is a candycane stripe. If you can refine it to be a orange to red on a white snake . You get the two for one jamy. That would be a real hot morph!!!
If you like to do this you need to get good Miami type morphs with clean backrounds and red saddles. the black borders don't make a difference.

Just giving you a little insight good luck in what ever you do as long as you have fun doing it!!!!
 
I am certain Vinny that I will start seeing the reduced pattern stripes showing up in my group.. I have a really nice male amel het for who knows what, and a trio that is het lavender and stripe ( very diminished from what I understand ) from Roylance lines.. Who knows what else is in the mix with the het stripes critters we have..

Ah well, Garter snake phase is not all that ugly is it? *LOL*

Regards. Tim of T and J

BTW Vinny.. What is up with that ugly avatar you have up.. ????? *LOL*
 
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