Possible Hypo Sunkissed?

[timmyjones]

Got this female sunkissed from serpenco in the summer and I am now starting to think that she could possibly be a hypo sunkissed.

She just seems to be too light to be an ordinary sunkissed and doesn't actually have any black on her, its more of a purpley brown colour on her belly checks and the small amount around some of her saddles.

Let me know what you think.

This is her actuall colouring.

This is how her belly checks look.

This one shows the colour of her belly checks a bit better.

This one shows the colour of the little amount of purpley/brown by her saddles, and how little of it there is.

 

[Hallie]

I really don't know much about the sunkissed morph, but it looks like a normal sunkissed to me (from what I've seen around here and while doing other research). And I think that since you got her from such a reputable breeder, he would have known if there was a possibility of her being hypo.

 

[Pasodama]

Your gal appears to be a very nice normal SK.

I have a Hypo Sunkissed. His belly checks are grey (a lighter type grey) and his borders are ~extremely~ light... sort of purply hued rather than a purply color.
You can see photos, of him, here: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69343
The most recent pics, in that thread, were taken in Oct. '08 (outdoors) and you need to scroll down to see them (Note to self - I need to post more recent pics. ).

OTFS I, also, have a normal SK (non-Hypo A) that is Hypo-ish, in coloration, and has light purply borders (just one example that normal SK can have purply borders).
Although the most recent pics, in the thread, are from Oct. '08 ...You can see her here: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69342

Sunkissed, already, gives a Hypo appearance (to differing degrees) but, adding Hypo A to the mix, gives what can only be described as an extra dose of Hypo effect.

 

[Rich Z]

Well, my normal policy is that if I'm not sure about something, I will sell it as the least common denominator. In other words, if a snake COULD be a dark Ghost or light Anerythristic, I would sell it as the light Anerythristic.

Same thing goes for the Sunkissed or Hypo Sunkissed question. You can't always tell 100 percent when looking at the babies (which is true in a LOT of situations with corns), so I would rather err on the side of caution when putting labels on them critters.

 

[timmyjones]

Thanks for the replys. Well im glad that most people seem to think that she's a normal sukissed because I am planning on breeding her to a pewter and so wouldn't really want hypo a in there.

 

[Rich Z]

Thanks for the replys. Well im glad that most people seem to think that she's a normal sukissed because I am planning on breeding her to a pewter and so wouldn't really want hypo a in there.

I would think that you would. I would imagine a Hypo Sunkissed Pewter would be rather outstanding looking myself....... But the better route would be to breed a Hypo Sunkissed to a Hypo Pewter....

 

[timmyjones]

I would think that you would. I would imagine a Hypo Sunkissed Pewter would be rather outstanding looking myself....... But the better route would be to breed a Hypo Sunkissed to a Hypo Pewter....

True but I think the chances of getting a Hypo Sunkissed Pewter from a pair of normal hets are very slim. I'd much rather make Sunkissed bloods and sunkissed charcoals without having hypo in.

 

[Ami_and_Rube's_owner]

OK, I'm just a newbie, but I read in Kathy and Bill Love's book that hypo A + Hypo B (sunkissed) would produce a normal-looking corn. Am I missing something here or is the informaiton I have just outdated? Just curious.

 

[Russell]

OK, I'm just a newbie, but I read in Kathy and Bill Love's book that hypo A + Hypo B (sunkissed) would produce a normal-looking corn. Am I missing something here or is the informaiton I have just outdated? Just curious.

your right, the information is good. Both Sunkissed and Hypo A are two different genes. So an animal het for two different genes will make a normal het for hypo A and hypo B. So now I ask, what is your confusion? You certainly can have a snake that is Hypo A and Hypo B...Thus the Hypo Sunkissed corns Rich sells...

hope this helps, but do ask if there is some other angle I'm now missing to your question?

 

[Ami_and_Rube's_owner]

your right, the information is good. Both Sunkissed and Hypo A are two different genes. So an animal het for two different genes will make a normal het for hypo A and hypo B. So now I ask, what is your confusion? You certainly can have a snake that is Hypo A and Hypo B...Thus the Hypo Sunkissed corns Rich sells...

hope this helps, but do ask if there is some other angle I'm now missing to your question?

I was just not thinking right. The info I cited was talking about crossing a homo hypo A with a homo hypo B where each had the normal gene for the other hypo type. What I was missing is that you can have a snake the homo for more than one type of hypo gene.

 

[Rich Z]

I was just not thinking right. The info I cited was talking about crossing a homo hypo A with a homo hypo B where each had the normal gene for the other hypo type. What I was missing is that you can have a snake the homo for more than one type of hypo gene.

Yeah..... And perhaps it will get even more interesting. I have a small group of Hypos growing up that are het for Sunkissed and Ultra. Would be interesting to see what a triple homozygous Hypo looks like. Since there are others as well, I believe it's entirely possible to gang those genes to make successively lighter animals as a result. Interestingly enough, it appears so far that the hypo combos I have (hypo & sunkissed, hypo & ultra (to a lesser extent), and sunkissed & ultra) seem to emphasize the orange coloration over all. So I'm thinking perhaps putting something else in that mix to remove the orange may be a worthwhile track to take. Guess I am still thinking about that elusive transparent corn snake.... :laugh:

 

[timmyjones]

So wanna give me a hint to whether or not its worth waiting 6 years to get a chance at a Sunkissed blood or Sunkissed pewter?

 

[Susan]

Yeah..... And perhaps it will get even more interesting. I have a small group of Hypos growing up that are het for Sunkissed and Ultra. Would be interesting to see what a triple homozygous Hypo looks like. Since there are others as well, I believe it's entirely possible to gang those genes to make successively lighter animals as a result. Interestingly enough, it appears so far that the hypo combos I have (hypo & sunkissed, hypo & ultra (to a lesser extent), and sunkissed & ultra) seem to emphasize the orange coloration over all. So I'm thinking perhaps putting something else in that mix to remove the orange may be a worthwhile track to take. Guess I am still thinking about that elusive transparent corn snake.... :laugh:

Well. produce and prove out a corn snake that is homozygous for hypo A, Sunkissed, ultra, lava and dilute, and perhaps you'll get your wish (minus your sanity)! :crazy02:

 

[Susan]

But back to the original question...

There are quite a few SerpenCo Sunkissed corns out there that are lighter than what many think as "typical" for the morph. I have one of them. But Rich will also tell you that he gets some strange results upon occasion, especially when dealing with hypo A. He may have something completely unknown, or at least unidentified, that pops up upon occasion when he pairs just the right breeders. Considering how dilute has popped up in the strangest of places, I'll pair my light Sunkissed male to one of my female dilutes either this year (if both females are large enough) or next year guaranteed. Not only will I have some interesting hets in the mix, I may just end up providing Rich with an answer to one of his mysteries.

And personally, I think pairing your Sunkissed with a pewter is an awesome idea, and if hypo A is in the mix, even better, IMO! You'll still get your Sunkissed charcoals and Sunkissed pewters, plus perhaps the added bonuses with hypo A!

 

[timmyjones]

Ok thanks thats interesting im looking forward to seeing how much she changes as she grows up.
Also Rich I am looking into getting a female hypo blood off someone that is originally from you shes an 06 reckon theres a good chance she could be het pewter or were you working with other stuff with the hypo bloods?

 

[Ami_and_Rube's_owner]

Guess I am still thinking about that elusive transparent corn snake.... :laugh:

An invisible snake can do ANYTHING! :laugh:

 

[Silvergrin]

Yeah..... And perhaps it will get even more interesting. I have a small group of Hypos growing up that are het for Sunkissed and Ultra. Would be interesting to see what a triple homozygous Hypo looks like. Since there are others as well, I believe it's entirely possible to gang those genes to make successively lighter animals as a result. Interestingly enough, it appears so far that the hypo combos I have (hypo & sunkissed, hypo & ultra (to a lesser extent), and sunkissed & ultra) seem to emphasize the orange coloration over all. So I'm thinking perhaps putting something else in that mix to remove the orange may be a worthwhile track to take. Guess I am still thinking about that elusive transparent corn snake.... :laugh:

An amel? :laugh:
Would be cool to see all 3 together! How you would tell you had Hypo A in there I have no clue! XD

 

[Rich Z]

Ok thanks thats interesting im looking forward to seeing how much she changes as she grows up.
Also Rich I am looking into getting a female hypo blood off someone that is originally from you shes an 06 reckon theres a good chance she could be het pewter or were you working with other stuff with the hypo bloods?

It would probably be easier to tell you what I HAVEN'T been working with mixed with Hypo Bloods......... :grin01:

 

[timmyjones]

Oh right thought you might say that. Guess i'll just have to wait and see.