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Question about genetics!

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Brad

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Ok i plan to buy two corn snakes of year 04 and want to breed them down the road. The thing is this, I dont want to have morph babies that dont have a name like hybrids but heres where im confused.

I know if i buy two Okeetee Corns and breed them i will get Okeetee Corn babies but i dont really want two of the same looking snakes because thats boring when i can get a Okeetee Corn and a Crimson Corn. So with that said if i were to breed a Crimson Corn with a Okeetee Corn would i get like 50/50 of each?

I dont really care if i get all Okeetee Corns or all Crimson Corns as long as they are Okeetee Corns or Crimson Corns because i dont want to create a new morph is what im trying to say. In short i want to have to differnt types of snakes but i want to produce solid babies meaning either Okeetee Corns or Crimson Corns. Is this how it works and could you explain a bit in easy terms.
 
Sounds like you don't know much at all about genetics yet. No problem though, everyone has to start somewhere. I suggest you visit Serpwidget's genetics page and familiarize yourself with it:

http://www.serpwidgets.com/Genetics/genetics.html

The problem with your situation is the 2 morphs you have listed are line-bred morphs. This means that breeders have continuously bred these morphs over many generations to get a certain look.

If you cross an Okeetee with a Crimson (Hypo Miami) all you will end up with are babies that look somewhat like an Okeetee or somewhat like a Miami, basically a normal snake. This would be undoing all the hard work the original breeders have worked towards. Because the Crimson is a Hypo Miami, the babies would inherit the Hypo trait but it would be masked due to the babies only being heterozygous for the gene (Arg! I'm probably not the best person to try to explain this to you, as I don't think I'm doing a good job.)

So, if you really only like these two types of animals, they only way to get more of them is to buy two of the same type, two Okeetees, or two Crimsons.

You could get a Crimson (Hypo Miami) and a Miami (though I really haven't seen much of a difference between these two animals) and when mated together you would get babies that were all Miamis Het Hypo.

Another possibility would be to get a Reverse Okeetee (Amelanistic Okeetee) and an Okeetee. When bred together you would get babies that were all Okeetees Het Amelanistic (though they may not be as vibrant as the original Okeetee parent they would still be Okeetee-like). Be careful if you do this though. Some amelanistic animals are sold as Reverse Okeetee, when they really aren't from Okeetee lines, and some Okeetee-locality babies don't look at all like the Okeetee-phase when adult.
 
You want to mix it up a little?

It sounds to me like you want to make the breeding as fun and suspenseful as possible by having more than one possible outcome, and two different-looking parents. My suggestion is you buy two snakes that are het for the same thing, or things. For instance, if you buy an Amelanistic that is het for snow, you may also buy an Anerythristic het for snow. This pairing results in a clutch that may contain snows, Anerys, and Amelanistics. You can do a little research into the morphs and see what is compatible, and what morphs appeal the most to you. I hope this helps, and I hope you find what you need!
 
The Cornsnake manual has a basic section on genetics that explains how it works. Serpwidgets genetic computer can tell you genetic possibilities and the % of animals in a hatching. Great tools! Rich's website gives a lot of explanation on different genetics for each color morph as well.
 
Thanks for all the replies.

When you say: If you cross an Okeetee with a Crimson (Hypo Miami) all you will end up with are babies that look somewhat like an Okeetee or somewhat like a Miami, basically a normal snake.

Do you mean i will get regular crimson or okeetee babies? If so then thats what i wanted to hear. Im not trying to breed to improve the looks or anything. I mainly want to have them as pets thus the idea for 2 dif types and breeding would just be for fun. I just want to be able to lable the babies as either crimson or okeetee and not have some ugly morphed color that no one wants to buy or even take. Im not in this for the money or anything i just want to make sure all my snakes get good homes and so long as i can lable them as okeetee or crimson then that should work out just fine!
 
Brad said:
Do you mean i will get regular crimson or okeetee babies?

I just want to be able to lable the babies as either crimson or okeetee and not have some ugly morphed color that no one wants to buy or even take.
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No. Sorry if my post was unclear.

If you mated an Okeetee with a Crimson, you would get snakes that look something in-between both of these morphs. You wouldn't want to label any of them as Okeetee or Crimson, because they wouldn't be either. They would be plain old normals, and when I say normals I mean they would probably have a tan background color, orange-red saddles, and probably lack thick black borders. I've heard from a few people on this and other forums that their favorites snakes are normals, but I persnally don't care too much for them. I personally think it would be much easier to sell any other morph than normals, because I don't think there is much demand for normal cornsnakes. All you could label then as would be "Normal Het Hypo."

When you say "some ugly morphed color" do you mean that you're one of the people who don't like amels, hypos, etc.? This is just me being curious now, because most people, even those that prefer normals, still like the genetic based morphs like amel, etc.
 
To answer your question even more concisely, if you breed an Okeetee with a Crimson NONE of the babies will be Crimson or Okeetee. They will all be Normals, and might even be ugly looking ones.

If you don't like morphs, then I would suggest the Reverse Okeetee x Okeetee combo, or a Miami (crimson sibling) x crimson.... in the first combo you would get all Okeetees het amel (get a reverse okeetee with thick wide white borders), and in the second combo Miamis het hypo and Crimson babies (if you use a crimson sibling that is het hypo)
 
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