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Question about our first clutch

pfeiffer

pfeiffer

New member
We have :
Anerythristic striped corn
Butter corn
Miami or plain or normal or ????? Corn (keep getting different answers from local reptile shops in my area)

I have a question I believe the striped corn has bred with both the other corns, what will that make the babies? I had not planned on breeding and kept all the snakes together under the impression they were all males. I have the eggs in an incubator after researching the internet all day learning to care for the eggs (that were a big surprise awaiting me when I woke up this a.m.) And from the reading I have done the Butter appears to be ready to lay eggs soon. So will the cluster hatch with some looking like each of the breeding corns or will they have a pattern that is a mixture of the 2 types?

THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP YA'LL CAN SENDMY WAY!!!!!
 
actually all of your corns will hatch out looking "normal", unless the parents are carrying hidden genes we call "hets". All you can do is wait and see.

On another note, hopefully you have read here about cohabiting your snakes and have them separated now. Also, I hope the females are big enough to breed safely.
 
Agreed - your most likely outcome will be Normals. Is there a market for Normals in your area? You need to think now about whether you'll be able to sell them.

Miamis are selectively-bred Normals; once you start breeding them with other morphs, you lose the essential Miami colour qualities.

Cohabbing is usually not recommended. It is especially not recommended to keep males together, as they are likely to fight for dominance during the mating season even when there isn't a female within a ten mile radius! Men...!
 
Thanks for the help i appreciate any and all advice I can get. We have had all 3 of the corns living together in a 55 gallon tank for over a year and never had any problems with fighting. Even though there are several caves for their use in there they all choose to curl up together in one hide away cave or the other. They also gather at the water bowl together reguarly. The female that laid the eggs is a little over 2 feet and is large enough to eat rat pups and adult mice so I am assuming she is plenty big enough for her to have safely laid the eggs without it harming her the other one that I am still not sure if she is with eggs or not is almost exactly the same size. The reptile store's I purchased them from said it was perfectly safe for them to cohabitate.
I am a novice with all of this and until now had been following all the instructions I had been given when I purchased the corn's.

If there are no issues with fighting do they really need to be separated?
I have separate feeding containers for each snake that I use when it is feeding time.

As far as there being a market in my area I have already had 3 offers from different reptile stores in my area to purchase the snakes once they are hatched and 1 store that wanted the clutch but we really want to let our kids to experience the process all the way thru to the hatchings I am also really excited about this and looking forward to the new experience.
Thanks again and any further advice is welcome
 
The fighting may not be there as they aren't all males but 1 male and 2 females apparently. The fact they choose the same hide, may be because they choose that particular temp rather than that they like to be together. If you choose to still cohabitate, I suggest you place several hides in every temp zone.

That said, normally it's recommended to let a female grow to 3 feet before breeding with her. Below that things might be ok, but there's a bigger chance of complications like being eggbound. So yes, they better be separated.

Is the (possibly) gravid female separated now? If not, maybe you better put her apart, and give her a warm humid hide to lay her eggs in. The presence of the other snakes might be a stress factor (even when the other one didn't have a problem), also a possible bigger risk for eggbinding.

If you read around here a bit, you'll find that unfortunately people at petstores don't always give sound advice. While cohabitation is a hot topic, (some very against, some pro under conditions), one of the risks everybody agrees on is breeding too soon, like is the case here. Also there is a risk of cannibalism, but that seems to happen with younger snakes.

I wish you success and lots of fun hatching your clutch(es)!
 
Unfortunately, the next thing that you are likely to face if you do not seperate now, is the male re-breeding the females after they have laid their first clutch and the girls becoming gravid again. With them being so small, even if they've had no problems carrying and laying the first clutch, they may run into serious complications with a second clutch. Double clutching can be a heavy burden even on the biggest, healthiest adult females and your girls do not sound like they are big enough to cope with that.

The usual guideline for breeding females is for them to be a minimum of 3 years old, 3 feet long and 300 grams in weight. That of course is not the be all and end all of requirements for safely breeding, other things like the condition of the female should also be considered, but it is a good start.

I'd play it safe and seperate them now :)
 
Okay I have the male separated from the females ( I took those precautions as soon as I read what could happen to my girl), and I was wrong about her length she is almost exactly 3 feet ( lil over) I used an on-line snake measuring computing thingy...lol
She is round enough w/out being gravid that my thumb and index fit around her and the tips meet.....hopefully that makes her having laid eggs easier on her but, I separated them before taking the chance on her having a 2nd clutch. Her health is the absolute most important thing. I am not positive on age I took her in well over a year ago and she had been a wild catch someone had purchased from a reptile store. She has grown a good bit in the past year but was certainly no baby when I got her.

Thanks again for your help.....I need all that I can get!!!!
 
I would separate the females from each other, as well. The curling up together could also be the snakes trying to "dominate" each other, by laying on top of the lesser/smaller snakes. A much more subtle form of "fighting". It's already, also, been mentioned that cohabbing may stress out the second girl enough to get eggbound (thank goodness the first girl got through it well!). Track down at least a 20L for her and give her a nice, big moist hide/lay box. =)

Good luck with the eggs! You're going to hate the wait, lol! I have my first clutch in the incubator right now... Tomorrow (wait, past midnight. Today?) is day 60, and waiting for them to pip is killer! :awcrap:
 
Floof said:
Good luck with the eggs! You're going to hate the wait, lol! I have my first clutch in the incubator right now... Tomorrow (wait, past midnight. Today?) is day 60, and waiting for them to pip is killer! :awcrap:
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Yeah, we haven't even hit day 30 yet and I am driving myself nuts checking the days off on the calender....lol
I have the female oggie that already laid her eggs in a spare tank for now, I had read about the possible stressing on here. Popcorn the possibly prego one shed yesterday so I guess in a lil over a week we will know for sure if she's gravid or not....YAH!!! That suspense is driving me more nuts than waiting on the hatchlings:bird:
 
Lol! I keep waiting for mine to at LEAST dent, but I know they're probably going to stay nice and full until they pip just to drive me crazy by my not knowing when they're coming!

Good to hear you have the girls separated! Do you have a laybox in with Popcorn yet? After they have their prelay shed, it's anybody's guess as to when they'll lay... I've heard anywhere from while in blue with prelay to 20 days after. The 20 days after experience was my own--my beauty dropped a clutch of pretty slugs 18 days after having what I can only assume was her prelay shed. =)
 
I am currently using the repti-moss because I went to a pet store asking for the correct moss but have since heard I should go to home-depot for the correct moss. Also someone mentioned the need to boil the moss before puttinng the eggs in it because they killed some of there eggs by not boiling it, do you know anything about that? And can I just put the aspen in her egg laying container, Popcorn completely avoided the container with the moss I provided.
 
pfeiffer said:
I am currently using the repti-moss because I went to a pet store asking for the correct moss but have since heard I should go to home-depot for the correct moss. Also someone mentioned the need to boil the moss before puttinng the eggs in it because they killed some of there eggs by not boiling it, do you know anything about that? And can I just put the aspen in her egg laying container, Popcorn completely avoided the container with the moss I provided.
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Yeees... That was me! =o Lol. I still say lean on the side of caution and boil the moss. =P

You can try the one clutch in the repti-moss, just for the sake of not risking jostling the eggs by moving them into a new substrate, and just put the second clutch in spaghnum. It can be found at Home Depot or Lowes, and it isn't expensive for a good-sized bag... My one bag, moistened, filled five 6 quart tubs with some left over.

As for the egg lay thing, you probably could use aspen, but it molds easy and doesn't hold humidity well. If she's not liking the lay box, it's more likely because it's an unfamiliar space, as opposed to it being unfamiliar bedding. Put the lay box in there with moss. Let her find it. And then just hope she approves of it before she drops her clutch... And maybe watch her tank like a hawk in case she does drop them outside of it! =)
 
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