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Temerairecorns

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I have three corns all babies that were given to me as a set in 30 gallon tank. i plan to either build an enclosure for them when they get bigger or buy them each there own tank. they are feeding well (in seperate feeding boxes) and spend a lot of time curled up together so i know it's not that. however one of them has not come out of his hide all week, i've checked on him and he has buried himself against the heat pad while the other two are on the magnetic ledge closest to the light (on the cold side). i'm worried because it is now very cold where i live and i can't seem to get the hot side of the tank above 70, also he had a big meal on Sat. because we mixed up his pinky and the one that was going to another snake. he has no food bump and otherwise seems fine. i've had kings, garters and other types of snakes before but these 3 are my first corns any advice would be helpful
 
First: Snakes don't curl up together because they 'get along'... they curl up together because they are competing for a resource. This can be extremely stressful to them.

Second, what sort of heat source are you using and how are you measuring the temperature? If you're using one of the stick-on thermometers, they're useless. You need a digital probe thermometer with the probe placed directly on the *glass* and directly over where the under tank heater is, which is how they should be getting their heat.
 
They're competing for the best heat spot and one of them has won. Best to separate them as this is a common problem with keeping Corns together. One of many potential issues.
 
Agreed, sounds like one snake is getting pushed away from the warm spots by the others. Snakes are not social creatures and it is very stressful for them to be kept together.
 
thanks for the advice

i have 2 probe thermometers one on each side of the tank and he is in the warmest spot, and i have literally seen one move over to make room on the ledge for the slightly smaller snake. the one in-between the two in size is more apt to push and shove and as soon as i have the room i intend to buy them all sepreate tanks i sadly live in a dorm and the space is limited i'm trying to see if i can find some stackable tanks. also my roommate just got a king snake (4 foot) who is in a tank near theirs. anything i should do about that? should i be on the look out for anything in particular? the tanks are in the warmest part of the room. I have put up a background around the tank to keep them from seeing eachother since the king keeps trying to get out of his tank on the side closest to the corns. i have added extra locks to the lid to prevent escape. the background has stopped him from testing that spot.
 
It's fine, so long as they don't ever come into contact with each other.

You could always do a small rack, those save space and money.
 
The kingsnake will eat the corns, given the chance, so keep them apart. Also, don't put them in a container the king has been in, because they'll be able to smell it and it will make for some stress.

TC
 
i know the king will eat anything he can get his mouth around my brother had one when we were younger and it tryed to eat him on multiple occasions not kidding it bit his hand and coiled around it every time he tried to take it out of the tank. is there anything else i should be aware of? and i thought about a rack but the only one i could find just looked cruel they deserve something better then living in a plastic box. they need room to stretch out.
 
Temerairecorns said:
i know the king will eat anything he can get his mouth around my brother had one when we were younger and it tryed to eat him on multiple occasions not kidding it bit his hand and coiled around it every time he tried to take it out of the tank. is there anything else i should be aware of? and i thought about a rack but the only one i could find just looked cruel they deserve something better then living in a plastic box. they need room to stretch out.
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I think rack systems with plastic boxes are more of a breeders way of keeping snakes. You can buy the same containers they slid in the racks but much bigger and stack them with lids. These Would work fine. You can buy clear ones.

Good luck ;)
 
Shiari said:
First: Snakes don't curl up together because they 'get along'... they curl up together because they are competing for a resource. This can be extremely stressful to them.

Second, what sort of heat source are you using and how are you measuring the temperature? If you're using one of the stick-on thermometers, they're useless. You need a digital probe thermometer with the probe placed directly on the *glass* and directly over where the under tank heater is, which is how they should be getting their heat.
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You must spread around some reputation before giving it to Shiari again.
 
Temerairecorns said:
i know the king will eat anything he can get his mouth around my brother had one when we were younger and it tryed to eat him on multiple occasions not kidding it bit his hand and coiled around it every time he tried to take it out of the tank. is there anything else i should be aware of? and i thought about a rack but the only one i could find just looked cruel they deserve something better then living in a plastic box. they need room to stretch out.
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If you're talking juvenile snakes, you could go with a ten gallon tank setup. You could also keep the babies in shoe boxes, or some such thing, through the winter, and transfer to tens in spring, when they're a little bigger. That's what I do with babies. I like having good control over the babies when they're starting out. I look in on them a lot.

Cheers...TC
 
It's not cruel if the tub is big enough. They make tubs with the footprints of 20 longs, and almost every other tank size.
 
This is a tub from my baby's rack system. You can see that there's a normal phase corn curled in the humid hide container....
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This tub is long enough for a baby to stretch out and everything they need can be provided in the tub, including their food, which will get them through three or four months of winter.

When conditions are more favorable, in the spring, you can switch them to larger tubs or tanks. When my back porch starts to warm up, reaching 80*F. during the day, I put my snakes back in that room. The humidity is better there too and there's plenty of room for the many tanks I have.

One big drawback to using the rack system is that it's a little more difficult to heat. Rather than use heat tapes I use a space heater to warm my Herp Room to 75-80*F. during the day in winter, and let it cool down to about 70*F. at night. I also use a humidifier part of the time. I always look forward to spring, so things can get back to normal.

Terry :spinner:
 
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