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releasing into the wild
- Thread starter kggjr
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Roy Munson
New member
I guess I'd rather see them at least try to get the corns adopted first. But if it comes down to release vs. euthanasia, I'd rather see them released. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if the mortality rate for released pet corns in TN is in the high 90s, in terms of percentages.
The Nothing
Immoral Support
ever been to florida?
never release a CB animal - even if it is a native area.
never release a CB animal - even if it is a native area.
Bobo's Mama
proud corn mommy!
IMHO it depends on 2 things. The morph of the corn, and how old it is. I would never release a mutant morph corn, like a blizzard or an opal, into the wild. A normal, caramel, or anery wouldn't bother me at all. Also I think it would depend on the age of the corn. I think it would be easier for a younger corn to adapt to living in the wild. Those are just my thoughts.
Tyger9791
Animal Care Specialist
i guess the shelter doesnt care because they say they're a native species, but i wonder if they'll survive...at least they're releasing a native species into the wild.
:grin01: Yeah no kidding about Florida...my backyard and front yard is overrun with anoles...non native to Florida. and just yesterday i found a tokay gecko on the hood of my car......wonder how THAT got there. i guess a neighbor's pet escaped. i tried to catch him but he got away, oh well, the feral cats will get him, if he doesnt get eaten by the pair of red tail hawks nesting in the oak tree in my backyard. and i'm in Tallahassee, not even south florida. i hear in Miami there are iguanas everywhere...
The florida everglades is a prime example of why NOT to release captive bred animals into the wild.
:grin01: Yeah no kidding about Florida...my backyard and front yard is overrun with anoles...non native to Florida. and just yesterday i found a tokay gecko on the hood of my car......wonder how THAT got there. i guess a neighbor's pet escaped. i tried to catch him but he got away, oh well, the feral cats will get him, if he doesnt get eaten by the pair of red tail hawks nesting in the oak tree in my backyard. and i'm in Tallahassee, not even south florida. i hear in Miami there are iguanas everywhere...
The florida everglades is a prime example of why NOT to release captive bred animals into the wild.
Slippery Ernie
New member
An animal that has been in captivity could have diseases that will transfer to the wild population - worst case scenario, wiping out the population.
Many captive raised snakes are inbred, or bred to other species somewhere in their lineage. Introducing these snakes to the wild would destroy pure strains.
Yeah, black rats are local to me. But there's no way I'm introducing one of those bug-eyed leucistics to the wild population.
Many captive raised snakes are inbred, or bred to other species somewhere in their lineage. Introducing these snakes to the wild would destroy pure strains.
Yeah, black rats are local to me. But there's no way I'm introducing one of those bug-eyed leucistics to the wild population.
We have to have permit here (which we do) for cornsnakes, I asked them to consider letting us pay to adopt any snakes then we would find homes for them once we knew their health was fine, but was told no that they had to be released. They have called us on other snakes which we always find homes for, we are not a rescue just someone who loves animals and try to help when needed.
Roy Munson
New member
The Nothing said:
This site's administrator (Rich Z.) is from Florida, and I've seen posts where he talks about giving non-feeders a last chance by releasing them. These posts may have been on Fauna. I don't think he had any restrictions on mutant morphs either. I seem to remember something about a released opal...
Taceas
USW = UB313
I would say contact the Tennessee Department of Natural Resources. Such government entities usually frown on such acts as releasing captive bred animals to the wild, regardless of their native status or not. And Tennessee seems pretty strict in their policy regarding the keeping of corns as it is. So I'm sure they'd have a lot to say about it.
That pet shelter should be shut down for such actions, imho. It's wholly irresponsible. You just can't operate that way, I'm sorry. If they're a shelter but release cornsnakes back into the wild, its hypocrisy if I've ever seen it. If you're going to be an animal shelter, be one 100%. Make all attempts to find that animal a home. Especially when you've expressed an interest to help them find cornsnakes a new home.
It'd be like releasing a human raised black bear into the woods. Sure they're native, but they don't know how to care for themselves, aren't afraid of humans, and are likely to end up dead because they don't know any better and get into bad situations. Granted snakes tend to have more of an instinctual drive, but it's not fair to the animal at all.
If they don't want to take the snakes, then that's fine...they can tell the people turning them in that they aren't equipped to handle reptiles and maybe give your name or other reptile enthusiasts in the area names. It's that simple.
1. I would think you have that bass ackwards. Captive reptiles don't have near the concentrations of intestinal parasites/bacteria/viruses that the wild ones do. Which is why bringing wild caught stock can present such a hurdle if not prophylactically treated. I doubt our captive cared for corns have anything that'd phase a wild caught. We're not talking about European Americans wiping out indigenous populations with a flu bug at all.
2. Not ALL captive bred snakes are as inbred as you think. And once its outcrossed to a wild specimen, it'd be a moot point afterwards. I'm sure most of the small pockets of corn snakes residing in Kentucky and Tennessee are far more inbred genetically than an Amelanistic from Don Soderberg. Its just what happens when you have a species isolated from the rest of their kin. (And please, no jokes poking fun at Kentuckians or Tennesseeians)
3. Black rat snakes and Texas rats aren't even the same thing...so that doesn't even closely compare.
I don't mind releasing captive hatched wild strains back into the wild. Which is what I've heard of several folks who deal with locality corns will do to individual animals that don't sell for one reason or another or are otherwise unfit for pets. But releasing an animal that has a genetic mutation that would make it an easy meal for any passing predator is cruel and heartless.
That pet shelter should be shut down for such actions, imho. It's wholly irresponsible. You just can't operate that way, I'm sorry. If they're a shelter but release cornsnakes back into the wild, its hypocrisy if I've ever seen it. If you're going to be an animal shelter, be one 100%. Make all attempts to find that animal a home. Especially when you've expressed an interest to help them find cornsnakes a new home.
It'd be like releasing a human raised black bear into the woods. Sure they're native, but they don't know how to care for themselves, aren't afraid of humans, and are likely to end up dead because they don't know any better and get into bad situations. Granted snakes tend to have more of an instinctual drive, but it's not fair to the animal at all.
If they don't want to take the snakes, then that's fine...they can tell the people turning them in that they aren't equipped to handle reptiles and maybe give your name or other reptile enthusiasts in the area names. It's that simple.
SlipperyErnie said:
1. I would think you have that bass ackwards. Captive reptiles don't have near the concentrations of intestinal parasites/bacteria/viruses that the wild ones do. Which is why bringing wild caught stock can present such a hurdle if not prophylactically treated. I doubt our captive cared for corns have anything that'd phase a wild caught. We're not talking about European Americans wiping out indigenous populations with a flu bug at all.
2. Not ALL captive bred snakes are as inbred as you think. And once its outcrossed to a wild specimen, it'd be a moot point afterwards. I'm sure most of the small pockets of corn snakes residing in Kentucky and Tennessee are far more inbred genetically than an Amelanistic from Don Soderberg. Its just what happens when you have a species isolated from the rest of their kin. (And please, no jokes poking fun at Kentuckians or Tennesseeians)
3. Black rat snakes and Texas rats aren't even the same thing...so that doesn't even closely compare.
I don't mind releasing captive hatched wild strains back into the wild. Which is what I've heard of several folks who deal with locality corns will do to individual animals that don't sell for one reason or another or are otherwise unfit for pets. But releasing an animal that has a genetic mutation that would make it an easy meal for any passing predator is cruel and heartless.
cowboyman13
Jimmy
The Nothing said:
I believe that sums up my opinion as well.
Thanks for all the responses I was just wondering if this was right and if it is normally done in other states most pet shelters do not do this here but will adopt them out or return them to the breeder. We only have one reptile rescue that I know of in Tennessee and it is not even in middle Tennessee where i live. Thanks for the answers and being so nice. Dana :wavey:
