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Seperating the two that were housed together...

CWall

CWall

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Some of you probably read my previous posts...I got a pair of normals from a guy that had always been housed together from hatchling size. I have decided to seperate them and will do so tonight after weighing pros and cons and taking you guys advice and all.

The thing that pretty much made my decision for me was when I found a regurge this morning, no idea why, temps are good, cage is clean, has two hides provided (although they both seem to prefer burrowing in the aspen) and water is clean and fresh. So i have to think that it's stress-related which I have to assume could be because of the two being housed together.

The other thing is I have no idea yet which one of them regurgitated...obviously the one that doesn't have a lump, but I was on my way out the door when I noticed this this morning, which made me think i really should seperate them.

On to my next question...

I know not to feed for 10 days (I think that's what I read yesterday), but what else do I need to do? I'm already toying with the idea of taking all of my snakes for a vet check (never been done and I found a local branch that does this). Does anybody know ballpark costs on vet checks?

Sorry for all the stupid questions, I'm still a little new and just want to make sure my animals are cared for to the best of my ability.
 
I would seperate them, wait 10 days, do a feeding, and then definitely consider a Vet visit if there is another regurge. Otherwise it could just be a fluke or stress-related. Not sure what your cost might be, it tends to vary a lot by location.

Not knowing which snake regurged is definitely another good reason not to cohab! I'm glad you've decided to seperate.
 
I will be getting them both their own containers on the way home from work and fixing them up this evening. I hope I haven't goofed up too much here.

By the way I read Kathy's FAQ on regurges just now and feel much better equipped to handle this situation.
 
My vet charges $45 for a visit, maybe $15 for a fecal, maybe $20 for a Grams stain. I't day you're looking at $80 for a routine visit, if you don't have to do any deworming. A vet might give you a discount on either the office visit or the fecals or both for a higher quantity of animals seen at once.
 
Cool, I may have to take some my snakes down to the vet soon. I wonder if more people take them to the vet than most realize? The thought never crossed my mind until owning snakes.
 
CWall said:
By the way I read Kathy's FAQ on regurges just now and feel much better equipped to handle this situation.
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That is the best possible thing you can do. Follow the regurge protocol outlined, and of course separate them ASAP if you haven't already.
 
CWall said:
Cool, I may have to take some my snakes down to the vet soon. I wonder if more people take them to the vet than most realize? The thought never crossed my mind until owning snakes.
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I would rep you again if I could. It's really refreshing to see a new user that's completely open to the advice of the experts on here. Not only that but you're doing your research!! You are a superb member and we need more like you on the forums.

Welcome to the community! It's good to have you here. :wavey:

Have you introduced yourself in the "New Members Introduction" section yet?

Also, we'd love to see photos of your new babies in the "Photo Gallery" section.
 
If you can't tell which one regurged it's safest to just treat them both as if they did. Another thing to consider is has it been at least 48 hours since you fed? I wouldn't disturb the non-regurging snake till it has had 48 hours to digest.

You want to not feed for ten days, and then feed an item half the size of what was regurged. It's best to order Nutribac from Kathy Love, and treat the drinking water now, changing the water daily, and then putting Nutribac on the mice that you'll be feeding.

What size is the snake that regurged? What size prey was it eating?
 
Nanci said:
If you can't tell which one regurged it's safest to just treat them both as if they did. Another thing to consider is has it been at least 48 hours since you fed? I wouldn't disturb the non-regurging snake till it has had 48 hours to digest.

You want to not feed for ten days, and then feed an item half the size of what was regurged. It's best to order Nutribac from Kathy Love, and treat the drinking water now, changing the water daily, and then putting Nutribac on the mice that you'll be feeding.

What size is the snake that regurged? What size prey was it eating?
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I'm going to treat them both as if they are the one that regurged. It has been 48 hours since feeding. Last night would have been 48 hours, then it regurged at sometime in the middle of the night. I will be moving them both when I get them home.

I will look into the Nutribac stuff and see about ordering some of that, thanks.

The snakes are both about 3 feet, female is a little thicker than the male, both are healthy size for their length. My scale is on the way so i have no idea exact weight in grams but will hopefully be able to figure that out in the next day or two. They both ate two small mice (hopper size) frozen thawed, and yes they were both thawed completely. Do you think the mice were bad for some reason? I'm really pretty worried...although I fed my ball pythons out of the same batch of mice and they didn't regurge.
 
Jadie.Glitch said:
I would rep you again if I could. It's really refreshing to see a new user that's completely open to the advice of the experts on here. Not only that but you're doing your research!! You are a superb member and we need more like you on the forums.

Welcome to the community! It's good to have you here. :wavey:

Have you introduced yourself in the "New Members Introduction" section yet?

Also, we'd love to see photos of your new babies in the "Photo Gallery" section.
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Here is my Introduce thread:

My Introduce Yourselves Thread

Here are my snakes:

My Cornsnakes Gallery of My Photobucket Account
 
Hmmm. Had you been feeding double hoppers without problems for a while, or was that the first time? Were the double hoppers being fed because the appropriatly-sized single mouse was not available?

Generally, with double pinks being the exception, cornsnakes are not fed multiple prey items, with another exception perhaps being a very large corn (800 grams or more) or possibly a female you are feeding up.

I think it's unlikely the mice were bad.
 
Nanci said:
Hmmm. Had you been feeding double hoppers without problems for a while, or was that the first time? Were the double hoppers being fed because the appropriatly-sized single mouse was not available?

Generally, with double pinks being the exception, cornsnakes are not fed multiple prey items, with another exception perhaps being a very large corn (800 grams or more) or possibly a female you are feeding up.

I think it's unlikely the mice were bad.
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The doubles were fed really because that's what I was told they had been eating. When I resume feeding on a normal schedule I'll feed just one. So many people out there are giving out wrong/bad advice...sorry for being so ignorant guys. I will correct this stuff to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
 
Many of us use a simple feeding chart called The Munson Plan, which requires knowing the weight in grams of your snakes. You then select a mouse size based on the snake's weight and the weight of the mouse. A simple rule of thumb, though, is to never feed a prey item whose diameter is no more than 1.5 times the diameter of the snake at its widest part. One times the snakes diameter is much safer. So rather than going by what they had been being fed, it's better to decide for yourself. I know there can be a large variance in what size a "hopper," for example, is.
 
I just have to say that Nanci is one of the best people on advice for regurges. She has a strict regurge protocol that has worked wonders for many people!
 
ArpeggioAngel said:
I just have to say that Nanci is one of the best people on advice for regurges. She has a strict regurge protocol that has worked wonders for many people!
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I get much less freaked out about a healthy-sized juvie than a 15 gram baby, though!
 
CWall said:
sorry for being so ignorant guys.
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In my opinion, you are NOT ignorant. To me, ignorance is an unwillingness to learn, and that definitely does not define you! You have been taking people's advice and putting that into action, which is awesome. Trust me, you are not ignorant!
 
Well thanks! I'm trying to right this ship, I can and will care for these animals correctly as I do with all of my tarantulas and scorpions, just need to learn the ropes a little better first...which is my fault.
 
CWall don't be so hard on yourself, everyone has to learn somehow and personally I don't think any amount of research done before you get a corn can prepare you for all the little things that could go wrong- how can you research something that will be different to every individual snake and the circumstances such as a regurge?! When it happens you just have to do your best to right the situation and learn from it, which is exactly what you're doing. Much better than some people out there who just don't seek help even when they're not really sure what they're doing. :)
 
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